MVC baseball power shift?

[MVCfans]

Dallas Baptist wins 3-2 at TCU and now controls the regional.

Oral Roberts defeated TCU yesterday afternoon and they beat Dallas Baptist last night to force a win or go home game today.

[MVCfans]

Future MVC baseball member, Dallas Baptist, advances to Super Regional play against Cal with a shot at making the College World Series.

[iSASO]

My advice? Savor those little moments of success but don't go adding to my Valley Talk Quotation Hall of Shame.

I wonder if you added to your "Quotation Hall of Shame" the very similar series of qoutes you made back in the spring of 2006; you know, right after WSU had won it's 1st MVC MBB title in 23 years and made their 1ST NCAA appearence in 18 years. I'm not so grandiose as to archive such things, but I remember them pretty faithfully. They basically said something about how WSU would dominate the league annually now that they had returned to the top, and that unlike the schools that had been winning the league[ CU/SIU/UNI], WSU would be able to parlay that into a level of scheduling no one else could[ I believe your quote actually said Turgeon had at least 8 BCS teams ready to sign home and home series] . It went on to say that WSU was now a Destination job and that your coach would not be looking for those greener pastures such as had happened with Mc Dermott, Weber, Painter, Alford etc. Things got a little silent 12 months later as the reality of a 6th place finish and Turgeon bolting for Texas A&M took hold.

Like you said iSASO, we should all probably savor those little moments of success, but you might have added, to also not try to act so superior when someone else simply repeats the mistakes you yourself have also made.

I don't remember saying that at all. I guess the burden of proof is on you.

Congrats to Dallas Baptist!

[CaseyGarrisonforPrez]

So Dallas's field is not up to snuff for the Super Sectional? Do we really want them in our league permanently? I know they are making a cinderella run now, but if they don't take baseball seriously, can they survive being so far away geographically?

[WSUbballer]

A couple of things...

- Super Regional, not Super Sectional.
- Only one of the teams can win a bid. It was a 50/50 shot and they didn't get it.
- It has nothing to do with the "field", as much as it has to do with the capacity of the stadium and attendance figures. Cal doesn't bode well on those categories either, that's why they aren't even playing it in Berkeley.

However, there are about half of baseball participating schools in this conference who have similar or worse fields and similar or worse attendance figures, except they don't have what Dallas Baptist has.. a good RPI, a super regional appearance, and a possible CWS appearance.

I think we'll stick with Dallas Baptist and hope and pray they don't turn US down.

[Snaggletooth]

So Dallas's field is not up to snuff for the Super Sectional? Do we really want them in our league permanently?

A prejudice Sucamore Fan? LOL

When they say they don't meet super regional standards it is about how many people they can seat. Their field is very nice, in fact better than most in the MVC.

I know they are making a cinderella run now, but if they don't take baseball seriously, can they survive being so far away geographically?

They do take their baseball seriously (that is why they are trying to move to MVC for baseball and not have to play as a independent. They have been better than most in the MVC since they entered DIV I baseball. Indy State RPI in "( )"

2011 - 48 RPI (162)
2010 - 135 RPI (128)
2009 - 42 RPI (64)
2008 - 43 RPI (143)
2007 - 111 RPI (144)
2006 - 81 RPI (223)
2005 - 80 RPI (149)
2004 - 54 RPI (228)

For those who are stupid,
DBU Avg RPI since 2004 = 74
ISUB Avg RPI since 2004 = 148

Maybe it ISUB that doesn't take baseball serious?

[CaseyGarrisonforPrez]

I think you have me mistaken Snaggletooth. As my name would indicate, I am a Missouri State fan. I confess to not caring much for college baseball as 44th round draft picks who are the size of lightweight wrestlers does not intrigue me as many other collegiate sports. I am a big fan of Keith Guttin and the Bears however.

That stadium reminds me of our old park Meador Field. Not as nice as Hammons Field for sure. I'm not sure how much the RPI thingie is worth because they load up on playing good teams in the South and that props them up. It seems they throw their best pitchers midweek against good schools that are throwing their reserves. If a Valley school did that they'd whup up too.

[jlandrus11]

Indiana State takes baseball very seriously. We strive for the MVC Championship every year and this year we came up 1 game short. We will be even better next year but we will have to wait til January to find out.

[Snaggletooth]

I think you have me mistaken Snaggletooth. As my name would indicate, I am a Missouri State fan. I confess to not caring much for college baseball as 44th round draft picks who are the size of lightweight wrestlers does not intrigue me as many other collegiate sports. I am a big fan of Keith Guttin and the Bears however.

My apologies to ISUB fans.

That stadium reminds me of our old park Meador Field. Not as nice as Hammons Field for sure. I'm not sure how much the RPI thingie is worth because they load up on playing good teams in the South and that props them up.

Looks like they concentrate their schedule on Texas and Oklahoma and MVC teams.

Here is their RPI in comparison MSU.

2011 - 48 RPI (64)
2010 - 135 RPI (175)
2009 - 42 RPI (151)
2008 - 43 RPI (53)
2007 - 111 RPI (115)
2006 - 81 RPI (59)
2005 - 80 RPI (92)
2004 - 54 RPI (108)

DBU Avg = 74
MSU Avg = 102

Dallas Baptist was better than Missouri St. every year except for 1.

It seems they throw their best pitchers midweek against good schools that are throwing their reserves. If a Valley school did that they'd whup up too.

Looks like most of the schedule is weekend series with 1 mid-week game thrown in.

[CaseyGarrisonforPrez]

I appreciate the data that you are bringing but Dallas Baptist manipulates the RPI by beating crappy competition on the weekend and throwing their studs midweek against TCU and Big XII schools. With the kind of talent that we have had in Springfield you better believe that we would have been to several more tournaments and maybe another CWS even if we were in their situation. When they start playing real competition on the weekend, they won't be so good. Mark my words.