MC Intosh

Discuss the MVC hoops season here.

Re: MC Intosh

Postby uniftw » June 16th, 2017, 10:35 am

Play Angry wrote:
uniftw wrote:Drake had someone to go Minnesota. Can't recall the name off the top of my head

Also had Kale that transferred in to them and then left on the grad transfer rule.


Joey King

Bingo.

Thankfully UNI's roster is so bad that we don't every worry about it.... :buddies:


On a serious not it is becoming an issue. I know there is some concern with one of the guys that UNI signed this year and this situation. He was under recruited in high school due to missing his junior year of high school with an ACL injury. By the end schools like Michigan State, Michigan, etc.. were starting to sniff around he contact him. He also seemed to love the attention of recruiting and having everyone want him.

If he gets to UNI and performs to his potential he could easily end up a grad transfer in a couple years, or just a straight transfer if he doesn't redshirt this year.
uniftw
MVC Hall Of Famer
MVC Hall Of Famer
 
Posts: 2268
Joined: January 20th, 2011, 9:01 pm

Re: MC Intosh

Sponsor

Sponsor
 

Re: MC Intosh

Postby Make MVC Great Again » June 16th, 2017, 11:50 am

Kids these days have no sense of dignity.

Why would you want to go to a school that wanted nothing to do with you out of high school, but than ball-out in college, and only then do they want you? Makes you look weak and superficial. Like a puppy wanting a treat.

Just me.
Make MVC Great Again
MVC Role Player
MVC Role Player
 
Posts: 131
Joined: May 8th, 2017, 1:18 pm

Re: MC Intosh

Postby Rollbird5 » June 16th, 2017, 2:29 pm

Make MVC Great Again wrote:Kids these days have no sense of dignity.

Why would you want to go to a school that wanted nothing to do with you out of high school, but than ball-out in college, and only then do they want you? Makes you look weak and superficial. Like a puppy wanting a treat.

Just me.


Chance to play in ncaa tourney, get noticed more by scouts, play high profile opponents more often,

Wish loyalty to a program was how it used to be but this is just the world we live in, everyone is looking for the next best thing
Chicago Cubs are the 2016 World Series Champions!

Twitter: @AMason005
Rollbird5
All MVC
All MVC
 
Posts: 633
Joined: January 21st, 2014, 1:10 am

Re: MC Intosh

Postby ptownbraves » June 16th, 2017, 3:30 pm

Make MVC Great Again wrote:Kids these days have no sense of dignity.

Why would you want to go to a school that wanted nothing to do with you out of high school, but than ball-out in college, and only then do they want you? Makes you look weak and superficial. Like a puppy wanting a treat.

Just me.


Don't blame the kids, blame the system that allows it. Where's the incentive to stay at a mid-major these days if you're a top player in your conference other than a sense of loyalty to your teammates and coaches? The P5 schools have a lot to offer. Better competition, better facilities, national recognition, potentially more exposure to NBA or pro teams overseas. They're just trying to improve their situation.

It's like being offered a big raise to go to a new company and do the same type of work.
User avatar
ptownbraves
MVC starter
MVC starter
 
Posts: 269
Joined: December 22nd, 2011, 8:05 pm

Re: MC Intosh

Postby Mikovio » June 17th, 2017, 8:26 am

BuBrave2006 wrote:but aside from Sam Maniscalco from Bradley (Grad Transfer) and Rayvonte Rice from Drake (normal Transfer),

Maniscalco left because Les was fired. Cunningham is another (to Dayton), but again it's because we fired his coach. I don't think we've had a player "transfer up" except when we fired our coach. Even Danny Granger left because Les chased him out and his old assistant was texting him at New Mexico. Maybe it would start happening under the new grad transfer rule though, who knows. I can't blame anyone for leaving the Redturds though.
User avatar
Mikovio
MVC starter
MVC starter
 
Posts: 294
Joined: July 9th, 2011, 7:10 pm

Re: MC Intosh

Postby UNIFanSince1983 » June 19th, 2017, 8:50 am

ptownbraves wrote:
Make MVC Great Again wrote:Kids these days have no sense of dignity.

Why would you want to go to a school that wanted nothing to do with you out of high school, but than ball-out in college, and only then do they want you? Makes you look weak and superficial. Like a puppy wanting a treat.

Just me.


Don't blame the kids, blame the system that allows it. Where's the incentive to stay at a mid-major these days if you're a top player in your conference other than a sense of loyalty to your teammates and coaches? The P5 schools have a lot to offer. Better competition, better facilities, national recognition, potentially more exposure to NBA or pro teams overseas. They're just trying to improve their situation.

It's like being offered a big raise to go to a new company and do the same type of work.


I don't see the system as being the problem either though. If a kid wants to leave to try and improve himself then more power to them. Why shouldn't the kid have an option of doing this?

Anyone else around the program can leave at anytime they want for anywhere they want. Why limit what the player can do?
UNIFanSince1983
All MVC
All MVC
 
Posts: 822
Joined: February 24th, 2011, 8:14 pm

Re: MC Intosh

Postby uniftw » June 19th, 2017, 9:32 am

I think the issue with "the system" is that it is easily abused by larger conference/teams.

I saw a thing, yesterday, published by the NCAA that only 34% of basketball players who use the graduate exemption actually earn their masters degree. I'll see if I can find it back

That is a broken system.
uniftw
MVC Hall Of Famer
MVC Hall Of Famer
 
Posts: 2268
Joined: January 20th, 2011, 9:01 pm

Re: MC Intosh

Postby Old School MVC » June 19th, 2017, 11:28 am

But if that player uses his move to get more exposure to better his chances to play professionally (so be it probably over seas), it is the equivalent of a Masters to many other work fields. I hate it when the kids leave to go to a bigger P5 school, but I definitely understand, especially if they put in 4 years at their original school. I probably think the amount of Red Shirts will now diminish due to this rule. Why would schools want a quality kid redshirting if they will probably lose him after their senior year anyway.
Old School MVC
MVC Role Player
MVC Role Player
 
Posts: 80
Joined: October 3rd, 2016, 6:19 pm

Re: MC Intosh

Postby RacerJoeD » June 19th, 2017, 4:18 pm

That's hebfix then. If you take a graduate transfer and they don't graduate with a Masters, have that hurt the APR with no penalty to the team being left.
RacerJoeD
MVC Role Player
MVC Role Player
 
Posts: 127
Joined: April 13th, 2017, 9:13 pm

Re: MC Intosh

Postby uniftw » June 20th, 2017, 6:25 am

RacerJoeD wrote:That's hebfix then. If you take a graduate transfer and they don't graduate with a Masters, have that hurt the APR with no penalty to the team being left.

How can you let it affect APR though? If it's a two year, or more, MA program, APR can't/shouldn't be affected as long as the kid "stayed eligible/on pace" to get his MA. If he leaves and that is the case there is no APR hit. You can't start dinging programs that are meeting that criteria simply to try to fix a slightly broken rule
uniftw
MVC Hall Of Famer
MVC Hall Of Famer
 
Posts: 2268
Joined: January 20th, 2011, 9:01 pm

Re: MC Intosh

Postby RacerJoeD » June 20th, 2017, 6:57 am

APR also takes graduation into account. If you recruit a kid under the premise that hey will receive a scholarship to play a sport and get a Masters, and they don't get a Masters, it should ding your APR.
RacerJoeD
MVC Role Player
MVC Role Player
 
Posts: 127
Joined: April 13th, 2017, 9:13 pm

Re: MC Intosh

Postby uniftw » June 20th, 2017, 12:54 pm

RacerJoeD wrote:APR also takes graduation into account. If you recruit a kid under the premise that hey will receive a scholarship to play a sport and get a Masters, and they don't get a Masters, it should ding your APR.

Not if they are academically eligible and "on pace" to finish in time. There's a reason Kentucky's APRs are 1000, 1000, 995, 989, 963, 963, 974, 979 over the last 8 released cycles with the the 1000s and 995 being the most recent.


I think the "worst" case scenario for a program at that point is like a .5 loss for that player. I also don't believe APR takes grad programs into account
uniftw
MVC Hall Of Famer
MVC Hall Of Famer
 
Posts: 2268
Joined: January 20th, 2011, 9:01 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Missouri Valley Conference Basketball

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 10 guests


cron