Tie-Break Question

[45otseoj]

4 teams tie for any position

Tie-break goes to a round robin

Team A is 4-2
Team B is 3-3
Team C is 3-3
Team D is 2-4

Do all four teams go to the SOS or just the teams tied in the round-robin tiebreak?

[MVCfans]

Per MVC website:

Tournament Tiebreaker System
 Regular-season standings are the determining factor in setting first-round pairings for the State Farm Missouri Valley Conference Tournament. All ties will be broken starting at the top of the conference standings and working down. The tie-breaking system for seeding of the State Farm Missouri Valley Conference Tournament, regardless of whether a tie involves two or more teams, will utilize the following factors, in order, until all ties are broken.

 The 2011 tiebreaking procedure marks a departure from the league’s point-system tiebreaker, which had been utilized in the conference since the 1993 tournament.

Two-way Ties
 1. Records in head-to-head competition are compared, with the higher seed going to the team that has won the most games against the other.
 2. If head-to-head competition does not break the tie, the deadlock will be broken by non-conference schedule strength as calculated by The RPI Report on the day before the final day of conference games. The team with the better non-conference schedule strength will receive the higher seed.

Multiple Ties
 1. If three or more teams are tied, regular-season competition among the tied schools shall be pooled into a “mini round-robin.” Teams shall be ranked according to their position in such a round- robin.
 2. If head-to-head competition does not break the tie, the deadlock will be broken by non-conference schedule strength as calculated by The RPI Report on the day before the final day of conference games. The teams will be seeded in order of their non-conference schedule strength.

[uniftw]

Current standings

Wichita State 13-2 22-4
Creighton 11-4 21-5
Missouri State 9-6 16-11
Illinois State 8-7 16-10
Evansville 7-8 12-13
Northern Iowa 7-8 17-10
Drake 7-8 14-12
Indiana State 6-9 15-11
Southern Illinois 5-10 8-18
Bradley 2-13 7-20


UNI owns the SOS tiebreak over every single team the could tie with i believe.

[GOREDBIRDS4]

Per MVC website:

Tournament Tiebreaker System
 Regular-season standings are the determining factor in setting first-round pairings for the State Farm Missouri Valley Conference Tournament. All ties will be broken starting at the top of the conference standings and working down. The tie-breaking system for seeding of the State Farm Missouri Valley Conference Tournament, regardless of whether a tie involves two or more teams, will utilize the following factors, in order, until all ties are broken.

 The 2011 tiebreaking procedure marks a departure from the league’s point-system tiebreaker, which had been utilized in the conference since the 1993 tournament.

Two-way Ties
 1. Records in head-to-head competition are compared, with the higher seed going to the team that has won the most games against the other.
 2. If head-to-head competition does not break the tie, the deadlock will be broken by non-conference schedule strength as calculated by The RPI Report on the day before the final day of conference games. The team with the better non-conference schedule strength will receive the higher seed.

Multiple Ties
 1. If three or more teams are tied, regular-season competition among the tied schools shall be pooled into a “mini round-robin.” Teams shall be ranked according to their position in such a round- robin.
 2. If head-to-head competition does not break the tie, the deadlock will be broken by non-conference schedule strength as calculated by The RPI Report on the day before the final day of conference games. The teams will be seeded in order of their non-conference schedule strength.

I understand those rules but the question is.. Team A wins the round robin, there is a tie with Team B and Team C in the round robin and Team D is last. For teams B and C do they go to head to head first since they are tied in round robin or go with the SOS still since its in the original round robin?!?

[pafan]

I believe that the finishing order would be
1. Team A, having the best round-robin record
2/3. reverts to a two-team tie, head-to-head and then NC SOS
4. Team D, having the worst round-robin record

The new tiebreak rules do not explicitly say this, though.

The old tiebreak rules did specify that a 3+ way tie would go to the two team tiebreak rules as soon as the multi-team tie is resolved in the round-robin.

[pafan]

Do all four teams go to the SOS or just the teams tied in the round-robin tiebreak?

Looking more closely at the rules, I now believe the clarity the you're looking for is bolded.

Per MVC website:

Tournament Tiebreaker System
 Regular-season standings are the determining factor in setting first-round pairings for the State Farm Missouri Valley Conference Tournament. All ties will be broken starting at the top of the conference standings and working down.

Working down would mean that when Team A's four team round robin record is found to be superior, they get the highest position of the four teams.

Then the remaining three tied teams go into their own round robin. If that round robin were still a three-way tie, NC SOS would apply immediately. But (and this is the part I'm still a little shaky on) if that round robin resulted in a two-team tie, then the head-to-head records would be applied to those two teams.