Why automatic bids should be eliminated

[Ace Dad]

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-bas ... ry/1242409

DoubleJay, just for you.

[DoubleJayAlum]

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/story.cfm/story/1242409

DoubleJay, just for you.

MVSU is certainly the skinniest kid at fat camp this year.

All that article did is reinforce my feelings that they shouldn't be D1. In a lot of ways, it isn't fair that with, quoting the article, "their dilapidated facilities and minuscule budget" they are even forced to compete with other D1 programs.

The key phrase from that article though is, "after starting the season 1-11."

Since you have chosen to revisit this topic Ace Dad, I thought I'd let you know that in the last 7 years, the SWAC and MEAC were the two lowest finishing conferences with automatic bids EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

It is also patently ridiculous that these two conferences don't have to abide by the same academic standards of the APR as every single other D1 school. You know, the same APR standards that cost MSU scholarships this year and UConn a trip to the dance next year.

[Jet915]

Yeah, the best solution would probably just to cut those two conferences from D1. That would get rid of alot of the really bad D1 basketball teams.

[pafan]

Let's compare MVSU to Evansville, a school who was regularly asked to go to D2 on good ole ValleyTalk :

Total athletics staff (coaches, administrators, trainers, etc.)
Evansville: 74
MVSU: 33

Oh, and MVSU has a football program that accounts for 25% of their staff.

Total sports offered:
MVSU: 16
Evansville: 14
The minimum for NCAA D1 membership is 14. With respect to MVSU, there are a number of sports that share a coach. Men's tennis and women's tennis have the same coach. Yes, only one coach.

Attendance wise, MBB games
MVSU: 9 home games, 3940 average. Pretty much selling out the gym
EVAN: 16 home games, 5120 average.

[Ace Dad]

"It is also patently ridiculous that these two conferences don't have to abide by the same academic standards of the APR as every single other D1 school."

Please explain.

[Ace Dad]

Let's compare MVSU to Evansville, a school who was regularly asked to go to D2 on good ole ValleyTalk :

Total athletics staff (coaches, administrators, trainers, etc.)
Evansville: 74
MVSU: 33

Oh, and MVSU has a football program that accounts for 25% of their staff.

Total sports offered:
MVSU: 16
Evansville: 14
The minimum for NCAA D1 membership is 14. With respect to MVSU, there are a number of sports that share a coach. Men's tennis and women's tennis have the same coach. Yes, only one coach.

Attendance wise, MBB games
MVSU: 9 home games, 3940 average. Pretty much selling out the gym
EVAN: 16 home games, 5120 average.

Great analysis.

The skinny kid ought to go to summer camp, too. And, I have no problem helping the skinny kid with milk money

[DoubleJayAlum]

"It is also patently ridiculous that these two conferences don't have to abide by the same academic standards of the APR as every single other D1 school."

Please explain.

The NCAA has minimum APR (academic and graduation rules) standards for a school to keep scholarships and remain eligible for the NCAA tourney. (You may have seen recent stories about UConn's attempts to appeal the rules which will keep them from being able to play in the NCAA tourney next year because of poor APR scores).

When the new APR rules went into effect, it was discovered that only about two or three teams from the SWAC and MEAC would even be eligible for the NCAA tournament!!! They whined, complained, called for congressional action, etc. and the NCAA eventually relented. Instead of making them abide by the same academic standards that all of the rest of the schools in D1 are expected to abide by, the NCAA created a special exception allowing schools from those two conferences to play in the NCAA tournament even if they don't meet the minimum standards.

[Ace Dad]

"It is also patently ridiculous that these two conferences don't have to abide by the same academic standards of the APR as every single other D1 school."

Please explain.

The NCAA has minimum APR (academic and graduation rules) standards for a school to keep scholarships and remain eligible for the NCAA tourney. (You may have seen recent stories about UConn's attempts to appeal the rules which will keep them from being able to play in the NCAA tourney next year because of poor APR scores).

When the new APR rules went into effect, it was discovered that only about two or three teams from the SWAC and MEAC would even be eligible for the NCAA tournament!!! They whined, complained, called for congressional action, etc. and the NCAA eventually relented. Instead of making them abide by the same academic standards that all of the rest of the schools in D1 are expected to abide by, the NCAA created a special exception allowing schools from those two conferences to play in the NCAA tournament even if they don't meet the minimum standards.

Please show me. This is all I could find:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... -academics