MVC Post Season awards

[MVCfans]

I've made my choices for Coach of the Year, Freshman of the Year and the All-MVC 1st and 2nd teams - you will see them posted on the board after the season concludes. I'm a little uncertain of Newcomer of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year though - I have an idea, but would love your input in case I've overlooked someone.

[BirdmanBB]

Tyler Brown for Newcomer of the year.

SCORING Cl GP FG 3FG FT Points Avg/G
1. McDermott,Doug-CU SO 29 262 45 101 670 23.1
2. Ryan, Colt-UE JR 28 175 66 167 583 20.8
3. Rice, Rayvonte-DU SO 28 157 24 124 462 16.5
4. Simons, Ben-DU JR 24 138 59 49 384 16.0
5. Weems,Kyle-MSU SR 30 170 57 67 464 15.5
6. Brown, Taylor-BU SR 28 142 25 105 414 14.8
7. Stutz, Garrett-WSU SR 28 149 10 85 393 14.0
8. Ragland, Joe-WSU SR 28 133 51 66 383 13.7
9. Carmichael,Jackie-ILS JR 29 137 1 118 393 13.6
10. Seck, Mamadou-SIU SR 29 146 0 89 381 13.1
James, Anthony-UNI JR 29 138 34 71 381 13.1
12. Brown,Tyler-ILS JR 28 116 58 71 361 12.9
13. Lathan, Dwayne-INS SR 28 113 20 110 356 12.7
14. Patterson,Caleb-MSU SR 25 117 21 56 311 12.4
15. Lemon Jr., Walt-BU SO 30 127 25 87 366 12.2

3-POINT FG PCT Cl GP 3FG 3FGA Pct
1. McDermott,Doug-CU SO 29 45 93 .484
2. Manigat,Jahenns-CU SO 29 52 108 .481
3. Ragland, Joe-WSU SR 28 51 106 .481
4. Rank, Chip-UNI SO 30 34 72 .472
5. Sonnen, Marc-UNI JR 30 51 113 .451
6. Ryan, Colt-UE JR 28 66 153 .431
7. Wragge,Ethan-CU SO 29 55 128 .430
8. Holmes, Denver-UE SR 27 33 77 .429
9. Brown,Tyler-ILS JR 28 58 137 .423
10. Simons, Ben-DU JR 24 59 143 .413

3-POINT FG MADE Cl GP 3FG Avg/G
1. Simons, Ben-DU JR 24 59 2.5
2. Ryan, Colt-UE JR 28 66 2.4
3. Brown,Tyler-ILS JR 28 58 2.1
4. Printy, Jordan-INS SR 29 57 2.0
5. Weems,Kyle-MSU SR 30 57 1.9
6. Wragge,Ethan-CU SO 29 55 1.9
7. Ragland, Joe-WSU SR 28 51 1.8
8. Kyles, David-WSU SR 29 52 1.8
Manigat,Jahenns-CU SO 29 52 1.8
10. Sonnen, Marc-UNI JR 30 51 1.7

[Turner]

Echenique for DPOY.

[2livewu]

I like GE and believe CU would be better if they included him a little more and Doug a little less in their offensive plans.

That being said, while I think he's a good defender, I have a problem with the DPOY coming from a team that's, at best, the 5th best defensive team in the conference.

I think Doug, deservedly so, wins POY in a close vote over Joe Raglund with Stutz 3rd and Ryan 4th.

I'd like to see Ben Smith get DPOY. He gets the stud most every night. Mostly responsible for keeping Doug at about 1/2 his average and totally handled Weems too. Toure' is underrated as a defensive player, but he and Demetric Williams deserve a mention.

Rice for Drake was impressive to me.

4 players seem like locks for 1st team....McDermott, Stutz, Ragland & Ryan. Not sure of the 5th. Weems has cashed it in. Simons missed a lot of games. Nobody from ISUB, BU, SIU & UNI standout. Young, Rice and Carmichael seem logical for the 5th spot. Toure' Murry probably is 2nd team, but man he's a good 2nd teamer. I think I'd give the spot to Carmichael.

Tuttle, Sawville and Moore are my leading freshmen. Probably Tuttle wins it.

[DoubleJayAlum]

I like GE and believe CU would be better if they included him a little more and Doug a little less in their offensive plans.

That being said, while I think he's a good defender, I have a problem with the DPOY coming from a team that's, at best, the 5th best defensive team in the conference.

I see what you are saying, but it is defensive PLAYER of the year, not defensive team of the year. As a WSu fan who watched Stutz go through the conference, you'd have to admit that GE was the only one to be able to handle him. Further, not only did he handle him, he completely shut Stutz down in both games. If not for GE, Creighton's defense may be rated last. He has been that dominant defensively.

Young, Rice and Carmichael seem logical for the 5th spot. Toure' Murray probably is 2nd team, but man he's a good 2nd teamer.

Pay attention here valleyclimber----

No way should Young get any serious consideration for all conference. His defense this year has been absolutely abysmal. He has good offensive numbers and has hit several clutch shots, but until he either learns how to defend better or shows the effort to do so, he wouldn't get my vote.

[CFA Jay]

Not sure how you could deny Doug McD POY. He is averaging 20 and 8 in MVC Play. Shooting over 60% from the field, 48% from the arc. That is unbeatable #s. No one is even close to the complete package.

[kochhead22]

It pains me to say it, but i dont see how McD doesnt win POY award.

[Snaggletooth]

seems to me you have to look at the stats in MVC context. Like CU played easier schedule than Evansville.

MVC Only

Ryan - 22.1 ppg
McDermott - 20.9 ppg

McDermott was more impressive out-of conference with the weaker schedule and but he was exposed for not being a complete player (e.g. playing DEFENSE). Ryan not only can score but also play defense and feed his own offensive players. Ryan average 3.5 assist per game, 88% from FT, and average 2.1 steals per game and was a better outside shooter than McDermott.

McDermott did rebound well and shot higher pct from field, but that more a difference about position than skill comparison.

I would give POY to Ryan. Let Evansville have some love.

[cpacmel]

Creighton's non conf sos is 144

Evansville's non conf sos is 169

Kind of hurts your argument some snaggle.

[Snaggletooth]

Creighton's non conf sos is 144

Evansville's non conf sos is 169

Kind of hurts your argument some snaggle.

I must have been looking at overall SOS then which has evansvile with stronger SOS. But regardless, I think we could agree if you want a apples-apples meaningful comparison then u have to look at mvc only.