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Baker/VanVleet - Baker/VanVleet

Postby Aargh » November 7th, 2012, 12:45 am

I just thought I'd mention those two Fr to start MVCFans being tired of hearing those names for the next 4 years.

You may doubt my words this year. VanVleet is playing behind Armstead and Baker is playing behind Williams.

If there has ever been a better pair of Fr guards in the Valley it would go back to the days of SIU's glory and Brooks and Tatum and some of their teammates.

Neither one of those guys may make the all-Fr team because, unlike other MVC teams, WSU has no immediate need to play outstanding Fr., but by the time Baker and VanVleet graduate, you will be totally tired of hearing their names.
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Re: Baker/VanVleet - Baker/VanVleet

Postby DoubleJayAlum » November 7th, 2012, 5:55 am

So far, Van Vleet is averaging a foul every 2.5 minutes he is on the court and those were incurred against a D2 team. That would keep him off the floor for MVC schools that value avoiding fouls (Creighton, UNI, etc.). It isn't WSU's depth that will keep him off the floor; his propensity to foul often is what will keep him off the floor. No doubt, though, that he is the chosen one. :bounce:

So far, I'm pretty pleased with what I've seen from Creighton's new freshman, and Deontae "Teddy" Hawkins' best friend, Andre Yates.
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Re: Baker/VanVleet - Baker/VanVleet

Postby BEARZ77 » November 7th, 2012, 6:34 am

I'd bet a beer or two in St. Louis 4 years from now, that the names Thurman and Marshall will have caused much more opponent angst than Baker and Van Fleet.
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Re: Baker/VanVleet - Baker/VanVleet

Postby Ricardo del Rio » November 7th, 2012, 10:03 am

BEARZ77 wrote:I'd bet a beer or two in St. Louis 4 years from now, that the names Thurman and Marshall will have caused much more opponent angst than Baker and Van Fleet.


Who is Thurman? Gavin?

I already know Coach Marshall.
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Re: Baker/VanVleet - Baker/VanVleet

Postby CBB_Fan » November 7th, 2012, 10:06 am

It is too bad Evan Wessel didn't redshirt last year. Wichita State would have its backcourt set for the next 4 years, and they'd be scary by the time they were seniors.
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Re: Baker/VanVleet - Baker/VanVleet

Postby SHOXMVC » November 7th, 2012, 3:40 pm

BEARZ77 wrote:I'd bet a beer or two in St. Louis 4 years from now, that the names Thurman and Marshall will have caused much more opponent angst than Baker and Van Fleet.


Not sure what a Blue Moon will cost you in 4 years, but hopefully you are a person of your word...I'll be the one looking thirsty.

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Re: Baker/VanVleet - Baker/VanVleet

Postby C0|db|00ded » November 7th, 2012, 4:24 pm

FVV will be a very good guard in time. Baker "the maker" has seemed shockingly good to me. I think he's a better Graham Hatch. He's very strong and athletic for a white guy. During a breakaway, he received the outlet pass and jammed the ball home one-handed with authority. He's only 6'3". He can also fill it up in bunches.


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Re: Baker/VanVleet - Baker/VanVleet

Postby BEARZ77 » November 7th, 2012, 7:53 pm

SHOXMVC wrote:
BEARZ77 wrote:I'd bet a beer or two in St. Louis 4 years from now, that the names Thurman and Marshall will have caused much more opponent angst than Baker and Van Fleet.


Not sure what a Blue Moon will cost you in 4 years, but hopefully you are a person of your word...I'll be the one looking thirsty.

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Definitely a man of my word and wouldn't have much respect for anyone who hedged on a Beer bet; but I'm not too worried about having to buy. I'm sure all 4 will have excellent careers, but I see the two Bears as program foundation type players. Should be interesting to trace; alot happens in 4 years.
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Re: Baker/VanVleet - Baker/VanVleet

Postby shockem » November 7th, 2012, 8:31 pm

i had a feeling thurman would make us pay for not offering him a scholaship. the next johnny murdock is gonna be a thorn in our side.
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Re: Baker/VanVleet - Baker/VanVleet

Postby glm38 » November 7th, 2012, 9:32 pm

shockem wrote:i had a feeling thurman would make us pay for not offering him a scholaship. the next johnny murdock is gonna be a thorn in our side.


According to Gavin himself and every report I've seen WSU did offer.

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Re: Baker/VanVleet - Baker/VanVleet

Postby BEARZ77 » November 7th, 2012, 9:49 pm

shockem wrote:i had a feeling thurman would make us pay for not offering him a scholaship. the next johnny murdock is gonna be a thorn in our side.


Not sure why people want to keep denying Gavin chose not to commit to WSU when an offer was on the table.It may have been removed later, though I've never seen that verified, but that was clearly after he had said he wasn't ready to make a decision and passed on accepting the scholy offer.

Either way, he's a Bear and right now he's even surprising many here with the diversity and skill set he is displaying offensively. Obviously against D-2 comp, but he has shown skills that definitely look like they will translate to success when the real games start. Someone though who seems to be passing under everyone's radar is Marcus Marshall . He is scarry good with the ball in his hands; very hard to contain someone who can create their own shot and aren't dependent on sets,plays, screens etc. He can break you down off the dribble and get an open 10 foot shot pretty consistently. They are as good as freshman as any I've seen on a Bear's roster in the last 20 years at their positions. But they have to translate that to real game performance and do it consistently overa career, so time will tell.
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Re: Baker/VanVleet - Baker/VanVleet

Postby Wufan » November 8th, 2012, 6:31 am

BEARZ77 wrote:
shockem wrote:i had a feeling thurman would make us pay for not offering him a scholaship. the next johnny murdock is gonna be a thorn in our side.


Not sure why people want to keep denying Gavin chose not to commit to WSU when an offer was on the table.It may have been removed later, though I've never seen that verified, but that was clearly after he had said he wasn't ready to make a decision and passed on accepting the scholy offer.


I think that sums it up. There was an offer and no commitment. Gavin was then told to wait until spring if he wanted to be a Shocker. He didn't want to be a Shocker. The Bears got a skilled offensive player.
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