NDSU/SDSU to MVC asap.

[uniftw]

Now carry on, Lake's is trolling you and your taking the bait. NDSU are rolling in it yet somehow they can barely afford to pay their Men's coach $190K (no raise in 3 years), their Women's program may as well be NAIA.

NDSU, SDSU are not going to the MVC. Neither may be in the MVFC in 5 years. As the MVC schools struggle to keep up FB funding, both schools will eventually move on.

NDSU is paying Richman over $200k(his contract gives him an annual raise), it is still low but he will get a raise if he earns it. The school could easily pay him what SDSU pays its coach but the athletic department doesn't just toss money around. There is reason why the athletic department operates in the black at NDSU and why the $400k cut from the state wasn't even a speed bump while the state cuts at UND created a crisis that ended with 4 sports being cut.

I do agree about one thing though, people are giving lakes the attention that he craves.

I know lakes well. I'm simply a cat playing with the dumb mouse with him at this point.

[mvfcfan]

I could really care less about how good the Dakota's women sports are. As long as the men's basketball team is good, who cares? Literally no one cares about women's sports. Wichita didn't go to the AAC because of their women's basketball team.

[MOST]

jacksfan29 wrote:



"per your earlier post, SDSU does not play FB in a dome. We opened a new outdoor stadium in 2016.

My error. Driving up and down 1-29 in NE S Dakota I thought I had seen a "dome" in Brookings. But, after the numerous crazy times I have been caught in blizzards in eastern SD I would have thought they would or should have built a "dome".

"Carry on, Lake's is trolling you and your taking the bait."

I do not feel like I am being trolled by anyone--who ever Lakes'is-or that I am trolling. My longtime opinion is that the 4 Dakota schools, UNI, Drake and MO State, now plus NEB Omahas should join and form a new conference, or maybe the MVC schools just join and rename the Summit (if the Summit woulddrop/ lose Denver, IUPW, IUPUI and Western Illinois) (Summit seems to be a bad bad word to the Iowa schools). Maybe IUPW, IUPUI and Western Illinois could be the back fillers for who ever the MVC robs from the Horrizon or Ohio Conferences

INMO: the MVC is going to add one to 3 schools now that WSU is gone. All of those adds will be located east of the Mississippi River. UNI, Drake and MO State will be isolated out west and as I have said they will become the MVC's redheaded bastard stepchildren. MVC wants to consolidate with an eastern footprint. The MVC and a new conference (the renamed Summit) will both be top level mid-majors in BB (top 10 to 15 power ranking) and FCS FB---and will probably affiliate for FCS FB. BUT, both will most likely remain in normal years as 1 bid conferences to the NCAA Tournament--SAD, but that is how the NCAA is set up.

Thanks for your comments.

[BCPanther]

jacksfan29 wrote:



"per your earlier post, SDSU does not play FB in a dome. We opened a new outdoor stadium in 2016.

My error. Driving up and down 1-29 in NE S Dakota I thought I had seen a "dome" in Brookings. But, after the numerous crazy times I have been caught in blizzards in eastern SD I would have thought they would or should have built a "dome".

"Carry on, Lake's is trolling you and your taking the bait."

I do not feel like I am being trolled by anyone--who ever Lakes'is-or that I am trolling. My longtime opinion is that the 4 Dakota schools, UNI, Drake and MO State, now plus NEB Omahas should join and form a new conference, or maybe the MVC schools just join and rename the Summit (if the Summit woulddrop/ lose Denver, IUPW, IUPUI and Western Illinois) (Summit seems to be a bad bad word to the Iowa schools). Maybe IUPW, IUPUI and Western Illinois could be the back fillers for who ever the MVC robs from the Horrizon or Ohio Conferences

INMO: the MVC is going to add one to 3 schools now that WSU is gone. All of those adds will be located east of the Mississippi River. UNI, Drake and MO State will be isolated out west and as I have said they will become the MVC's redheaded bastard stepchildren. MVC wants to consolidate with an eastern footprint. The MVC and a new conference (the renamed Summit) will both be top level mid-majors in BB (top 10 to 15 power ranking) and FCS FB---and will probably affiliate for FCS FB. BUT, both will most likely remain in normal years as 1 bid conferences to the NCAA Tournament--SAD, but that is how the NCAA is set up.

Thanks for your comments.

The problem is auto-bids to NCAA tournaments. You can't just start a new league and get an auto-bid. There is no way the Power 5 is going to give up an at large berth to any tournament in order to give a midwestern mid-major league an autobid. We're all stuck together...

[Lakesbison]

NDSU basketball coach making $200k is because hes a 1st time coach and hes on thin ice in year 3 here with a 1st round summit exit after being in 1st place all year

IF NDSU GETS A MVC bid for 2018 & Tim Miles gets let go at nebraska then he'll come back and lead NDSU into the MVC!

[uniftw]

NDSU basketball coach making $200k is because hes a 1st time coach and hes on thin ice in year 3 here with a 1st round summit exit after being in 1st place all year

IF NDSU GETS A MVC bid for 2018 & Tim Miles gets let go at nebraska then he'll come back and lead NDSU into the MVC!

Tim Miles is in the bottom 10% of NCAA D1 coaches.

[MOST]

BCPanther wrote: "the problem is auto-bids to NCAA tournaments. You can't just start a new league and get an auto-bid. There is no way the Power 5 is going to give up an at large berth to any tournament in order to give a mid-western mid-major league an auto bid. We're all stuck together."..


Response:
An expanded MVC and a revamped Summit requires no new auto bids--they already have their auto bids. SO, NOT A PROBLEM.

Besides, does not the NCAA control who gets the auto bids--AND RIGHT NOW ALL 32 CONFERENCES GET'S ONE. Don't think that is a P5 conference decision. Doubt very seriously that the NCAA would deny auto bids to a new elite mid-major conference. WHEN DID THE NCAA LAST DENY AN AUTO BID TO A CONFERENCE. If they did deny an auto bid to a new, valid conference I think there would be rioting in the streets and campuses--and possibly a call for a congressional investigation.

TOUCHE!!

[uniftw]

The problem is auto-bids to NCAA tournaments. You can't just start a new league and get an auto-bid. There is no way the Power 5 is going to give up an at large berth to any tournament in order to give a mid-western mid-major league an auto bid. We're all stuck together...

An expanded MVC and a Summit/even if renamed requires no new auto bids--they already have their auto bids. SO, NOT A PROBLEM.

Besides does not the NCAA control who gets the auto bids--AND RIGHT NOW ALL 32 CONFERENCES GET'S ONE. Don't think that is a P5 conference decision. Doubt very seriously that the NCAA would deny autos to a new elite mid-major conference. WHEN DID THE NCAA LAST DENY AN AUTO BID TO A CONFERENCE.

You need to learn the quote function, ASAP

[MOST]

Would rather just copy and paste

TOUCHE TOUCHE (SQUARED)

[JBoss8393]

I've been a fan of the Valley since 1987 when I moved to Normal, married into a Redbird family and became one myself when I got my master's. I also attended USD when it was in the old North Central Conference. I always liked that because it was a pretty close knit group. You had USD, SDSU, UND, NDSU, Morningside, Augustana, UN-Omaha and Northern Colorado. It was an I-29 league with great rivalries.

It's stings that the valley has lost Tulsa, Creighton and Wichita State since I began following it. Evansville was a nice fit, Loyola is questionable decision and needs a little time. But for the next round, I absolutely do not think the Dakota schools are the answer. I've given this some thought and looked at the Midwestern Mid-Major Conferences and think five conferences could be impacted by what the Valley does.

I love the 10 team league but I think that is short sighted with all the moving going. I like the idea of expanding to 12 and adding Valparaiso, Belmont and Murray State. It creates an even 6-6 public to private. Murray State can move its football program to the MVFC and create a 12 team league there as well. You get a new media market in Nashville and travel partners. UMKC would be a nice fit, but there just isn't enough success there to grab it.

The conferences I see being affected besides the Valley are OVC, Horizon, Summit and WAC.

So here's my thoughts: (Bold=Scholarship FCS Schools/Italic= Non Scholarship FCS Schools)

New MVC
Illinois State
Bradley
Indiana State
Evansville
Northern Iowa
Drake
Southern Illinois
Missouri State
Loyola
Valparaiso (from the Horizon)
Murray State (From the OVC)
Belmont (from the OVC)

New OVC:
Morehead State
Jacksonville State
Tennessee State
Tennessee Tech
Eastern Kentucky
Tennessee-Martin
Southeast Missouri
Austin Peay
Eastern Illinois
SIU-Edwardsville

New Horizon
Oakland
Detroit
Green Bay
Milwaukee
Cleveland State
Youngstown State
Wright State
Northern Kentucky
UIC
PU Fort Wayne (from the Summit)
IUPU Indianapolis (from the Summit)

New Summit
NDSU
UND
SDSU
USD
Omaha
UM-Kansas City (from the WAC)
Denver
Utah Valley (from the WAC)
Chicago State (from the WAC)
Western Illinois
Oral Roberts
Texas-Rio Grande Valley (from the WAC)

MVFC
West Div
USD
SDSU
UND
NDSU
Northern Iowa
Missouri State

East Div
Illinois State
Southern Illinois
Murray State
Youngstown State
Indiana State
Western Illinois

I could also see Western Illinois moving to the OVC, being a travel partner for Eastern Illinois, creating a 9-team football league and 11-team basketball league.

The WAC would then need to add at least three schools from what's left over or dissolve. It's been on a long, slow death spiral since the super conference blew up back in the 90s.

With these groupings, you get some pretty compact conferences and bus rather than air travel, outside of the Summit having to fly to Salt Lake, Denver, and San Antonio/Brownsville.

Time will tell.