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Lakesbison wrote:#2 overall pick in the NFL draft last year was pretty helpful.

beating #13 IOWA on ESPN was pretty helpful.

cmon man.. NDSU has elevated the MVFC to heights never imagined just 8 years ago.

You'd think the conference would actually reward them with a MVC invite.... #ButPrivateSchools #ButTravel #ButCompetition

And yet no one is talking about the MVFC right now. Strange. Face it the MVFC is not elevated anywhere except in the FCS circles. Nationally no one still cares. I could ask a majority of people here in Lincoln who was in the conference and I bet they couldn't name a damn team. I get that you think FCS football should carry some weight, but fact of the matter is it doesn't. And it really doesn't in discussions for teams to add to a conference that does sponsor football. In a vacuum I think a lot of people would be in favor of NDSU because they do have some potential. Realistically it just won't happen.

I'd be comfortable with adding ndsu but if they're okay going out of their travel zone the simple fact remains they could add better.

That #13 Iowa team finished the year like 7-5 and lost it's 5th straight bowl game.

They were garbage.

Guys I think we all remember exactly where we were the day the NDSU football team spoiled the season of the mighty Iowa Hawkeyes. It was a shocking result, at least until Iowa lost to 1-3 Northwestern at Kinnick two weeks later.

And think of all the wonders that did for Bradley basketball, Drake basketball, SIU basketball, Indiana State football, etc. Truly the Missouri Valley Conference owes NDSU a debt it can never repay. All we can do is deliver a basketball invitation to Fargo on a silver platter along with our firstborns and hope their underpaid coach doesn't run up the score on us.

Lakesbison wrote:beating #13 IOWA on ESPN was pretty helpful.

Beth Mowins' call on ESPN 2 will surely go down in history along with "down goes Frazier" and "Can you believe in miracles?"

Maybe one day lakes can grasp that NDSU football means little to the MVC. It isn't remotely a football focused league like say the Big Sky or SLC. Also this is FCS football we are talking about, it isn't like NDSU football is bringing in a media deal or anything like that.

NDSU's football success/exposure has mostly benefited NDSU. I do think NDSU has a lot of similarities to MVC schools, it is a school with a supportive fanbase in a small to mid-sized Midwestern city. History of success and willingness to spend money to compete. Problem is like with every league, geography makes it difficult.

Fargobison wrote:Maybe one day lakes can grasp that NDSU football means little to the MVC. It isn't remotely a football focused league like say the Big Sky or SLC. Also this is FCS football we are talking about, it isn't like NDSU football is bringing in a media deal or anything like that.

NDSU's football success/exposure has mostly benefited NDSU. I do think NDSU has a lot of similarities to MVC schools, it is a school with a supportive fanbase in a small to mid-sized Midwestern city. History of success and willingness to spend money to compete. Problem is like with every league, geography makes it difficult.

This.

It's not that NDSU wouldn't be a good add over time, it just that they don't exactly mesh with the rest of the league in how they allocate their resources and, unfortunately, they're closer to Canada than any Valley school...

Fargobison wrote:Maybe one day lakes can grasp that NDSU football means little to the MVC. It isn't remotely a football focused league like say the Big Sky or SLC. Also this is FCS football we are talking about, it isn't like NDSU football is bringing in a media deal or anything like that.

NDSU's football success/exposure has mostly benefited NDSU. I do think NDSU has a lot of similarities to MVC schools, it is a school with a supportive fanbase in a small to mid-sized Midwestern city. History of success and willingness to spend money to compete. Problem is like with every league, geography makes it difficult.

Agreed. I like NDSU and SDSU. Just not a good fit for the Missouri Valley Conference.

Todd Golden Indiana St beat writer picks NDSU.


" I think Valparaiso and Murray State are fine. Not great, there’s no home run addition, but they work fine given league politics.
The 12th school is a much tougher proposition. My vote is for North Dakota State"

Lakesbison wrote:Todd Golden Indiana St beat writer picks NDSU.


" I think Valparaiso and Murray State are fine. Not great, there’s no home run addition, but they work fine given league politics.
The 12th school is a much tougher proposition. My vote is for North Dakota State"

I agree 100% NDSU should be #12. But I came to the realization a long time ago it's not happening.