What's the next realignment domino to fall?

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What happens next?

Wichita St leaves for a better league
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37%
Missouri St, IllinoisSt, UNI move up to FBS
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25%
MVC expands
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37%
 
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Re: What's the next realignment domino to fall?

Postby Aargh » July 6th, 2017, 11:00 am

If you want the MVC to expand, start campaigning with the Presidents of your schools to remove Elgin. He's on record as saying he prefers a 10-team league. He's had two opportunities to expand to 12 and didn't do it. He seems to prefer adding programs that are a reasonably comfortable bus ride from the existing membership.
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Re: What's the next realignment domino to fall?

Postby Mikovio » July 6th, 2017, 11:20 am

uniftw wrote:Let's make this relevant the MVC as it stands today

Only one team in the MVC has any NCAA wins in the last 9 seasons - it has football

Of the S16s that belong to the MVC over the last 15 years to teams currently in the MVC 2 of the 3 belong to football schools.

100% of the conference titles (regular season and conference tournament) over the last 10 years that remain in the conference belong to schools with football
The last time a true non-football did anything was 2006/2007.

Maybe Bradley and Evansville can take some of that $3 million they are spending on basketball and actually win a couple f__king games, or titles.


Sure, if you ignore non-football CREIGHTON AND WICHITA STATE WHO WERE SO SUCCESSFUL THEY MOVED UP.

Sorry, I don't use all caps often, but this is such a Grand Canyon-sized hole in your argument I'm left with no choice. You can't just ignore that part of the last decade-plus when you're talking about how football affects Valley schools. If anything, IF those schools had football, it would have HELD THEM BACK from actually moving up the conference chain (again, sorry).

I can find the numbers I posted, but the last time a non-football/private school still in the valley finished in the top half of the all sports trophy standings was over a decade ago. The 4 private schools (excluding Valpo who just joined) finished outside of the bottom 4 was so long ago I couldn't pull numbers to calculate it anymore. The MVC didn't have standings that far back.


Public schools naturally have an advantage in partial-scholarship, Olympic sports because a $5k scholarship goes further at them. So if you're looking to build a powerhouse womens rowing conference, sure, kick out the privates. But that would be stupid because basketball pays the bills, and without the revenue sports you don't pay the bills with the non-revenues.

Maybe non-football/private schools should actually do something to "put us in our place".


See above.

Also funny to see an ISUr fan bashing FCS football - a sport which they spend more than anyone in except maybe Illinois State of the MVC schools.


I don't even.
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Re: What's the next realignment domino to fall?

Postby Mikovio » July 6th, 2017, 11:24 am

Aargh wrote:If you want the MVC to expand, start campaigning with the Presidents of your schools to remove Elgin. He's on record as saying he prefers a 10-team league. He's had two opportunities to expand to 12 and didn't do it. He seems to prefer adding programs that are a reasonably comfortable bus ride from the existing membership.

In his defense, Elgin isn't dictator of the Valley. His idea of a scheduling mandate was just what the conference needed 15 years ago, and it fell apart because new presidents/ADs, who hold the real power, decided to abandon it.

We would have Murray State if the public schools who are in budget crises weren't worried about travel partners. Ask the MSU president. (Hey, maybe if MSU wasn't throwing money at FCS football they could afford not to have a travel partner!) Again, nothing to do with Elgin, who said he's open to it.
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Re: What's the next realignment domino to fall?

Postby Mikovio » July 6th, 2017, 11:50 am

Redhawk wrote:True ISUr fans support FCS and we actually loved going to Frisco, TX for the National Championship!


Where are those "true ISUr fans" for their home FCS playoff games?

December 6, 2014 1:00 PM No. 10 Northern Iowa* Hancock Stadium • Normal, IL (FCS Playoffs Second Round) ESPN3 W 41–21 Attendance: 5,575
December 5, 2015 1:00 PM Western Illinois* Hancock Stadium • Normal, IL (FCS Playoffs Second Round) ESPN3 W 36–19 Attendance: 6,124
December 11, 2015 6:30 PM No. 12 Richmond* Hancock Stadium • Normal, IL (FCS Playoffs Quarterfinals) ESPN3 L 27–39 Attendance: 5,356
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Re: What's the next realignment domino to fall?

Postby IllinoisState » July 6th, 2017, 12:33 pm

Mikovio wrote:
Redhawk wrote:True ISUr fans support FCS and we actually loved going to Frisco, TX for the National Championship!


Where are those "true ISUr fans" for their home FCS playoff games?

December 6, 2014 1:00 PM No. 10 Northern Iowa* Hancock Stadium • Normal, IL (FCS Playoffs Second Round) ESPN3 W 41–21 Attendance: 5,575
December 5, 2015 1:00 PM Western Illinois* Hancock Stadium • Normal, IL (FCS Playoffs Second Round) ESPN3 W 36–19 Attendance: 6,124
December 11, 2015 6:30 PM No. 12 Richmond* Hancock Stadium • Normal, IL (FCS Playoffs Quarterfinals) ESPN3 L 27–39 Attendance: 5,356


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Re: What's the next realignment domino to fall?

Postby uniguy » July 6th, 2017, 1:59 pm

I dont think SFA has enough to gain by joining the MVC to warrent making a move.

Is it worth a skyrocketing travel budget, and leaving a league with established regional rivals in basketball and football to join a league that is marginally better at basketball?
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Re: What's the next realignment domino to fall?

Postby mvfcfan » July 6th, 2017, 2:15 pm

Yeah I don't think football is holding anyone back too much especially at the FCS level. At least the MVFC is actually capable of getting more than 1 bid into the tournament. We're typically getting 3-4 bids and we actually have a chance of winning a national championship. When any of the privates in the MVC have a chance of winning a national championship in basketball please let me know. At least the 5 schools in the MVC that have football are actually competing for something.

I also don't get the love for SFA. They had a good basketball team 2 years ago (but their conference is terrible) and their football team is okay, but nothing great. At least with NDSU and SDSU they are both usually ranked in the top 10 for football and I have no doubt that their basketball teams would be able to compete in the MVC.

And NDSU and SDSU are actually within driving distance for teams like UNI and Drake. SFA isn't within driving distance for anyone. Neither is GCU and NMSU.
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Re: What's the next realignment domino to fall?

Postby Redhawk » July 6th, 2017, 2:16 pm

Mikovio wrote:
Redhawk wrote:True ISUr fans support FCS and we actually loved going to Frisco, TX for the National Championship!


Where are those "true ISUr fans" for their home FCS playoff games?

December 6, 2014 1:00 PM No. 10 Northern Iowa* Hancock Stadium • Normal, IL (FCS Playoffs Second Round) ESPN3 W 41–21 Attendance: 5,575
December 5, 2015 1:00 PM Western Illinois* Hancock Stadium • Normal, IL (FCS Playoffs Second Round) ESPN3 W 36–19 Attendance: 6,124
December 11, 2015 6:30 PM No. 12 Richmond* Hancock Stadium • Normal, IL (FCS Playoffs Quarterfinals) ESPN3 L 27–39 Attendance: 5,356


That's an average of 5685 for those 3 FCS games which compares to the 5953 avg "true fans" at a Bradley basketball game. Based on that postseason success the Birds averaged 10156 per home football game in 2016. While most of us Redbird fans prefer MVC bball to MVFC football to say that there is no
support for FCS football is uninformed and ludicrous.
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Re: What's the next realignment domino to fall?

Postby mvfcfan » July 6th, 2017, 2:22 pm

IllinoisState wrote:
Mikovio wrote:
Redhawk wrote:True ISUr fans support FCS and we actually loved going to Frisco, TX for the National Championship!


Where are those "true ISUr fans" for their home FCS playoff games?

December 6, 2014 1:00 PM No. 10 Northern Iowa* Hancock Stadium • Normal, IL (FCS Playoffs Second Round) ESPN3 W 41–21 Attendance: 5,575
December 5, 2015 1:00 PM Western Illinois* Hancock Stadium • Normal, IL (FCS Playoffs Second Round) ESPN3 W 36–19 Attendance: 6,124
December 11, 2015 6:30 PM No. 12 Richmond* Hancock Stadium • Normal, IL (FCS Playoffs Quarterfinals) ESPN3 L 27–39 Attendance: 5,356


Studying for finals.


It's also December and cold, so 5-6K is actually not that bad. That's actually pretty decent.
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Re: What's the next realignment domino to fall?

Postby Redhawk » July 6th, 2017, 2:43 pm

mvfcfan wrote:I also don't get the love for SFA. They had a good basketball team 2 years ago (but their conference is terrible) and their football team is okay, but nothing great. At least with NDSU and SDSU they are both usually ranked in the top 10 for football and I have no doubt that their basketball teams would be able to compete in the MVC.

And NDSU and SDSU are actually within driving distance for teams like UNI and Drake. SFA isn't within driving distance for anyone. Neither is GCU and NMSU.


SFA, GCU and NMSU are not viable options for the Valley for a number of reasons but mostly because
of distance. NDSU & SDSU however are not that far away than two former Valley members that no
one ever thought were too far away:

Normal to Tulsa is 562 miles. Brookings, SD is 61 miles further or less than another 60 minutes drive.
Normal to Wichita is 581 miles. Fargo, ND is 116 miles further so less a than 2 hour drive further.
The Valley also replaced Creighton & Wichita with a much closer Loyola & Valpo which helps with the travel budget.

With 12 schools the pod schedule system would take effect to limit travel to the Dakotas for the cash strapped eastern schools. It could work if the public/privates ever agree on the details.
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