What's the next realignment domino to fall?

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What happens next?

Wichita St leaves for a better league
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38%
Missouri St, IllinoisSt, UNI move up to FBS
25
26%
MVC expands
35
36%
 
Total votes : 97

Re: What's the next realignment domino to fall?

Postby Redhawk » March 16th, 2017, 6:49 am

tribecalledquest wrote:Get back to me when UNI, SIU, ISU Red, ISU Blue and Mo State go BCS in football.

It aint happening.


Agreed Tribe. ISUr and UNI aren't ready for the jump and no one really wants them yet either.
When the Shockers leave though drastic changes would be needed to strengthen the MVC for it to continue.
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Re: What's the next realignment domino to fall?

Postby Someone_Else » March 24th, 2017, 10:15 pm

Dissolve the Missouri Valley and the A10 conferences to eliminate Loyola, Drake, Evansville, Duquesne, Fordham, La Salle, and UMASS. This will allow the schools to bring their tourney credits into the new league and dissolve the TV packages. Reform into the American Basketball Conference with Missouri Valley and Atlantic Divisions. Tourney credits are distributed 75/25 like the A10, with no shared credits if the school doesn't have a top 150 rpi schedule.
Missouri Valley division - UNI, Bradley, ISUr, ISUb, Missouri State, SIU, Dayton, STL
Atlantic division - VCU, GW, GM, Davidson, St B, RI, Rich, St J

Play 2X within own division. 14 games
January Capital Collision in DC. Cross Division games based on RPI\BPI 2 Games
February Arch Madness in STL. Cross Division games based on RPI\BPI 2 Games

Conference Tourney in Brooklyn
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Re: What's the next realignment domino to fall?

Postby Dean Wormer » March 25th, 2017, 8:12 am

Someone_Else wrote:Dissolve the Missouri Valley and the A10 conferences to eliminate Loyola, Drake, Evansville, Duquesne, Fordham, La Salle, and UMASS. This will allow the schools to bring their tourney credits into the new league and dissolve the TV packages. Reform into the American Basketball Conference with Missouri Valley and Atlantic Divisions. Tourney credits are distributed 75/25 like the A10, with no shared credits if the school doesn't have a top 150 rpi schedule.
Missouri Valley division - UNI, Bradley, ISUr, ISUb, Missouri State, SIU, Dayton, STL
Atlantic division - VCU, GW, GM, Davidson, St B, RI, Rich, St J

Play 2X within own division. 14 games
January Capital Collision in DC. Cross Division games based on RPI\BPI 2 Games
February Arch Madness in STL. Cross Division games based on RPI\BPI 2 Games

Conference Tourney in Brooklyn


Apparently you aren't familiar with the makeup of the A-10. You eliminated 3 of the only 4 MVC teams they would ever have an interest in. The A-10 is small, private colleges located in urban areas. Mid-size publics in places such as Cedar Falls and Carbondale are a complete 180. The public football and private basketball mix destroyed the old Big East, and could end the Valley. I don't see anyway the A-10 would travel down that path. I have no idea why you would think the A-10 would be more interested in INSU than UE or Loyola, and they certainly aren't going to shed UMASS and LaSalle to team up with MSU.

I don't see anything happening with the A-10 unless Dayton and VCU get poached. In that case, they would probably look at a midwest private to appease SLU. That is where a Bradley, Evansville, etc could come into play. I really don't see Dayton going to the AAC though and the Big East is probably staying put for the time being.

For the MVC, the fight over who gets added could really start spinning the wheels. UNI will push the Dakotas while the privates will want a Valpo or Belmont. There really isn't any good compromise candidates. If the Dakotas are added, it will be a clear shift towards football, at which point the privates will begin looking elsewhere. If the privates are added, I could see UNI or ILSU looking towards the MAC, while MSU might start entertaining the Sun Belt. Not sure if any of them have the finances currently to upgrade to FBS.

I think it is likely we could see a new private conference, and either a MVFC conference, or a breakup somewhere along the lines of UNI and ILSU in the MAC, MSU in the SB, and SIU and INSU in the OVC.
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Re: What's the next realignment domino to fall?

Postby Wufan » March 25th, 2017, 9:23 am

Dean Wormer wrote:
Someone_Else wrote:Dissolve the Missouri Valley and the A10 conferences to eliminate Loyola, Drake, Evansville, Duquesne, Fordham, La Salle, and UMASS. This will allow the schools to bring their tourney credits into the new league and dissolve the TV packages. Reform into the American Basketball Conference with Missouri Valley and Atlantic Divisions. Tourney credits are distributed 75/25 like the A10, with no shared credits if the school doesn't have a top 150 rpi schedule.
Missouri Valley division - UNI, Bradley, ISUr, ISUb, Missouri State, SIU, Dayton, STL
Atlantic division - VCU, GW, GM, Davidson, St B, RI, Rich, St J

Play 2X within own division. 14 games
January Capital Collision in DC. Cross Division games based on RPI\BPI 2 Games
February Arch Madness in STL. Cross Division games based on RPI\BPI 2 Games

Conference Tourney in Brooklyn


Apparently you aren't familiar with the makeup of the A-10. You eliminated 3 of the only 4 MVC teams they would ever have an interest in. The A-10 is small, private colleges located in urban areas. Mid-size publics in places such as Cedar Falls and Carbondale are a complete 180. The public football and private basketball mix destroyed the old Big East, and could end the Valley. I don't see anyway the A-10 would travel down that path. I have no idea why you would think the A-10 would be more interested in INSU than UE or Loyola, and they certainly aren't going to shed UMASS and LaSalle to team up with MSU.

I don't see anything happening with the A-10 unless Dayton and VCU get poached. In that case, they would probably look at a midwest private to appease SLU. That is where a Bradley, Evansville, etc could come into play. I really don't see Dayton going to the AAC though and the Big East is probably staying put for the time being.

For the MVC, the fight over who gets added could really start spinning the wheels. UNI will push the Dakotas while the privates will want a Valpo or Belmont. There really isn't any good compromise candidates. If the Dakotas are added, it will be a clear shift towards football, at which point the privates will begin looking elsewhere. If the privates are added, I could see UNI or ILSU looking towards the MAC, while MSU might start entertaining the Sun Belt. Not sure if any of them have the finances currently to upgrade to FBS.

I think it is likely we could see a new private conference, and either a MVFC conference, or a breakup somewhere along the lines of UNI and ILSU in the MAC, MSU in the SB, and SIU and INSU in the OVC.


Honestly, a break up between the public and private schools is probably what's needed. It would allow each to pursue their goals with like minded institutions.
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Re: What's the next realignment domino to fall?

Postby BCPanther » March 25th, 2017, 12:52 pm

Dean Wormer wrote:
Someone_Else wrote:Dissolve the Missouri Valley and the A10 conferences to eliminate Loyola, Drake, Evansville, Duquesne, Fordham, La Salle, and UMASS. This will allow the schools to bring their tourney credits into the new league and dissolve the TV packages. Reform into the American Basketball Conference with Missouri Valley and Atlantic Divisions. Tourney credits are distributed 75/25 like the A10, with no shared credits if the school doesn't have a top 150 rpi schedule.
Missouri Valley division - UNI, Bradley, ISUr, ISUb, Missouri State, SIU, Dayton, STL
Atlantic division - VCU, GW, GM, Davidson, St B, RI, Rich, St J

Play 2X within own division. 14 games
January Capital Collision in DC. Cross Division games based on RPI\BPI 2 Games
February Arch Madness in STL. Cross Division games based on RPI\BPI 2 Games

Conference Tourney in Brooklyn


Apparently you aren't familiar with the makeup of the A-10. You eliminated 3 of the only 4 MVC teams they would ever have an interest in. The A-10 is small, private colleges located in urban areas. Mid-size publics in places such as Cedar Falls and Carbondale are a complete 180. The public football and private basketball mix destroyed the old Big East, and could end the Valley. I don't see anyway the A-10 would travel down that path. I have no idea why you would think the A-10 would be more interested in INSU than UE or Loyola, and they certainly aren't going to shed UMASS and LaSalle to team up with MSU.

I don't see anything happening with the A-10 unless Dayton and VCU get poached. In that case, they would probably look at a midwest private to appease SLU. That is where a Bradley, Evansville, etc could come into play. I really don't see Dayton going to the AAC though and the Big East is probably staying put for the time being.

For the MVC, the fight over who gets added could really start spinning the wheels. UNI will push the Dakotas while the privates will want a Valpo or Belmont. There really isn't any good compromise candidates. If the Dakotas are added, it will be a clear shift towards football, at which point the privates will begin looking elsewhere. If the privates are added, I could see UNI or ILSU looking towards the MAC, while MSU might start entertaining the Sun Belt. Not sure if any of them have the finances currently to upgrade to FBS.

I think it is likely we could see a new private conference, and either a MVFC conference, or a breakup somewhere along the lines of UNI and ILSU in the MAC, MSU in the SB, and SIU and INSU in the OVC.


I believe your last paragraph is the most likely outcome. It serves everybody's long term interests the best. I know UNI would give it's left nut to get into the Mountain West, but would certainly be content in the MAC. Crazy thing is that the travel is better in the MAC West than it is in the current MVFC.
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