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Re: MVC/MWC Challenge Improvement

Postby Cdizzle » October 17th, 2016, 3:27 pm

UEACES80 wrote:Tongue in cheek but how about the MVC #10 SOS in from the year before has to play the #1 MWC SOS from the year before and it is this way all the way to the MVC #1 SOS playing the MWC #10 SOS. That way the MVC overall SOS of the lesser MVC scheduling teams gets a boast since that is such a hot topic. The elite of the MVC will schedule an excellent Non-Conf schedule on their own - I have read it on here a hundred times.

At least those #4 / #6 and #5 vs #5 matchups will hopefully be acceptable.

Would you like to actually compare the non-con schedules of the 'elite' in the MVC to the bottom of the MVC. Or Evansville? Cause pretty soon your sarcasm starts to sound more like stupidity.

Somehow, the 'elite' in the MVC have figure out how to get at-large bids the past few years despite the crap schedules some of the league (ahem) are putting together.
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Re: MVC/MWC Challenge Improvement

Postby uniftw » October 17th, 2016, 3:34 pm

Cdizzle wrote:
UEACES80 wrote:Tongue in cheek but how about the MVC #10 SOS in from the year before has to play the #1 MWC SOS from the year before and it is this way all the way to the MVC #1 SOS playing the MWC #10 SOS. That way the MVC overall SOS of the lesser MVC scheduling teams gets a boast since that is such a hot topic. The elite of the MVC will schedule an excellent Non-Conf schedule on their own - I have read it on here a hundred times.

At least those #4 / #6 and #5 vs #5 matchups will hopefully be acceptable.

Would you like to compare the non-con schedules of the 'elite' in the MVC to the bottom of the MVC. Or Evansville? Cause pretty soon your sarcasm starts to sound more like stupidity.

UNI this year

D3
Airzona State - Puerto Rico Tip off
Oklahoma/Tulane in second game
Likely Xavier or Missouri in the final game
Xavier - top 10
George Mason
Wyoming
South Dakota State - likely to win The Summit
North Dakota - Coach Jake connection. Play them a lot
Iowa
North Carolina

Last season
Colorado State
Stephan F Austin - made a splash in the NCAAs
North Carolina - #1
D3
North Dakota - Coach Jake connection
Iowa State - #5
North Texas
Richmond
George Mason
New Mexico
Hawaii
Washington State
BYU

UE this year
Louisville - nice
Alcorn State
Morehead State
Toledo
UNC-Wilmington
Middle Tennesse State
Wabash
Boise State
Bowling Green
Murray State
Norfolk State
Austin Peay
Mount St Joseph - apparently a real school

Last year
Southeast Missouri State
Marian (apparently real)
Belmont
Providence
Santa Clara
UC-Irvine
Alabama State
Murray State
Arkansas
Mississippi Valley State
Norfolk State
Fresno State
Alabama A&M


Yeah, sarcasm probably wasn't his best approach.
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Re: MVC/MWC Challenge Improvement

Postby UEACES80 » October 17th, 2016, 4:27 pm

Just offering suggestions that apparently hit a nerve again.
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Re: MVC/MWC Challenge Improvement

Postby mule » October 17th, 2016, 8:38 pm

UEACES80 wrote:Just offering suggestions that apparently hit a nerve again.

Nice try. Apparently no humor to be found from the upper echelons. How about this. Let's all play the game with the same size balls. :Cheers:
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Re: MVC/MWC Challenge Improvement

Postby uniftw » October 18th, 2016, 6:54 am

UEACES80 wrote:Just offering suggestions that apparently hit a nerve again.

Our teams, and conference, RPI being nuked by programs playing dog s*** OOC schedules isn't funny to teams at the top.

If Evansville can ever manage to finish in the top 3 or 4 with any consistency eventually you won't find it funny either.
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Re: MVC/MWC Challenge Improvement

Postby Cdizzle » October 18th, 2016, 11:02 am

uniftw wrote:
UEACES80 wrote:Just offering suggestions that apparently hit a nerve again.

Our teams, and conference, RPI being nuked by programs playing dog s*** OOC schedules isn't funny to teams at the top.

If Evansville can ever manage to finish in the top 3 or 4 with any consistency eventually you won't find it funny either.

When Evansville manages to win the conference tournament some year, gets a 15 seed, and gets pounded by 30, don't come crying to me.

The league needs to start instituting tougher scheduling requirements and penalties. Think it's funny that WSU was a play-in team last year? That's great. No NCAA shares. Spread it to the people that will try.
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Re: MVC/MWC Challenge Improvement

Postby uniftw » October 18th, 2016, 11:14 am

Cdizzle wrote:
uniftw wrote:
UEACES80 wrote:Just offering suggestions that apparently hit a nerve again.

Our teams, and conference, RPI being nuked by programs playing dog s*** OOC schedules isn't funny to teams at the top.

If Evansville can ever manage to finish in the top 3 or 4 with any consistency eventually you won't find it funny either.

When Evansville manages to win the conference tournament some year, gets a 15 seed, and gets pounded by 30, don't come crying to me.

The league needs to start instituting tougher scheduling requirements and penalties. Think it's funny that WSU was a play-in team last year? That's great. No NCAA shares. Spread it to the people that will try.

Maybe a rule that says if your SOS isn't top 130 you don't get NCAA shares.

Or if you don't have an NCAA appearance in the last decade you don't get any
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Re: MVC/MWC Challenge Improvement

Postby UEACES80 » October 18th, 2016, 12:00 pm

I like the SOS thought - but until such a rule is implemented none of us have any say on what teams any school schedules.
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Re: MVC/MWC Challenge Improvement

Postby Cdizzle » October 18th, 2016, 12:15 pm

UEACES80 wrote:I like the SOS thought - but until such a rule is implemented none of us have any say on what teams any school schedules.

We still:
(a) Won't have a say if that becomes rule. Unless your fans are making the schedule up there. Which might explain a lot.
(b) Have the right to complain about the crap schedules UE (and others) put together.
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Re: MVC/MWC Challenge Improvement

Postby Cdizzle » October 18th, 2016, 12:26 pm

uniftw wrote:
Cdizzle wrote:
uniftw wrote:Our teams, and conference, RPI being nuked by programs playing dog s*** OOC schedules isn't funny to teams at the top.

If Evansville can ever manage to finish in the top 3 or 4 with any consistency eventually you won't find it funny either.

When Evansville manages to win the conference tournament some year, gets a 15 seed, and gets pounded by 30, don't come crying to me.

The league needs to start instituting tougher scheduling requirements and penalties. Think it's funny that WSU was a play-in team last year? That's great. No NCAA shares. Spread it to the people that will try.

Maybe a rule that says if your SOS isn't top 130 you don't get NCAA shares.

Or if you don't have an NCAA appearance in the last decade you don't get any

I think 130 is too high. Scheduling really is hard. I get that. Not everyone needs to put together an at-large worthy schedule every year. But we have to get rid of the 300+. That's just a killer. Somewhere closer to 200-225, I would think. Or some semblance of a tiered system.

I also think the system would need to be a rolling 3 or 4 year window. If you're Bradley and you suck but you're spending money to blow it up and try to rebuild, I don't mind a couple years of crap schedules as you rebuild a team and try to build a winning culture. But by year 3 or 4, you should be putting together better schedules. Teams at the bottom that are trying need the money so they can keep trying. I don't even care that much about if you haven't been to the NCAA in the past however many years, as I think that just creates a 'rich get richer' system that really doesn't help anyone.

Looking at it a different way. Taking away a share from some team and re-splitting across the league might net WSU $100k. My guess is that that $100k spent on schedule improvement (2 or 3 way better buy games) at a school like Indiana State is probably actually going to result in more net benefit in WSU's numbers (not to mention the benefit to other league members) than if WSU had spent that $100k. But right now, the league is handing it out and some folks are just flushing it down the toilet. Lets give it to the schools who give a damn.
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