MVC POY

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Which player not on your team will win POY?

Sean O'Brien
2
3%
Reed Timmer
1
2%
McKyle McIntosh
6
10%
Paris Lee
6
10%
Brenton Scott
3
5%
Milton Doyle
8
14%
Dequan Miller
0
No votes
Markis McDuffie
9
15%
Shaq Morris
3
5%
Jeremy Morgan
21
36%
 
Total votes : 59

Re: MVC POY

Postby Cdizzle » January 10th, 2017, 12:52 pm

I guess my point was that I think McIntosh might be ISU's most important player because of the mismatch he creates, for lots of teams including outside the Valley. Lee is clearly very good and advanced stats even favor him which I usually like a lot, but he isn't creating a mismatch. He might be too good for your best defender, but it isn't because of some significant size or athleticism advantage that you had no chance to overcome. Some teams have guys that can match up OK with McIntosh. Not many have guys that can match up with McIntosh and Hawkins at the same time. Which creates problems teams have to scheme against.

Lee shooting the cover off the ball is helping him a lot this year. He still turns the ball over a lot for a true PG for my taste, but ISU is more of a high-risk high-reward oriented team anyway.
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Re: MVC POY

Postby Redbirdgrad » January 10th, 2017, 12:56 pm

Cdizzle wrote:I guess my point was that I think McIntosh might be ISU's most important player because of the mismatch he creates, for lots of teams including outside the Valley. Lee is clearly very good and advanced stats even favor him which I usually like a lot, but he isn't creating a mismatch. He might be too good for your best defender, but it isn't because of some significant size or athleticism advantage that you had no chance to overcome. Some teams have guys that can match up OK with McIntosh. Not many have guys that can match up with McIntosh and Hawkins at the same time. Which creates problems teams have to scheme against.

Lee shooting the cover off the ball is helping him a lot this year. He still turns the ball over a lot for a true PG for my taste, but ISU is more of a high-risk high-reward oriented team anyway.


Yep, you nailed it, and I agree 100%.

Paris has been turning it over quite a bit actually, which is actually pretty worrisome when we get into the heart of the Valley schedule.

MM does create matchup problems, but we need to utilize that similar to what we just did against the Trees. Until this point, he's been taking a bunch of mid rangers and 3's for his points, and hasn't been as aggressive as he was this last weekend. I hope we exploit the mismatches more, but we'll see. We're pretty balanced and don't force much offense, which is also why that matchup isn't as utilized.
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Re: MVC POY

Postby BirdsEyeView » January 10th, 2017, 1:47 pm

Redbirdgrad wrote:The problem with any of the Birds for POY right now is that they have different people who step up every night. While that's a good thing in terms of W's... nobody actually stands out from the crowd.

Finally STARTING to have a problem Wichita has had for a while...


I agree that one of the three steps up each game, so nobody stands out.

The last statement, however, may be a one season "problem" for us. Lee is gone. Hawkins is gone. McIntosh should be back. We don't have any big time players coming in unless Yarbrough or Clarence becomes a stud. Fayne is the only one on our current roster that looks like they might reach that level.

Wichita recruits circles around everyone else. Finally, we're all seeing that come to fruition once their reliance on Baker/FVV ended.

We aren't recruiting to that level to have too many studs on our roster...nobody in the MVC is.
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Re: MVC POY

Postby Redbirdgrad » January 10th, 2017, 2:32 pm

Absolutely right.

I wasn't talking about the recruits being in the same ballpark just that the production balance is hurting individual POY candidates.

You could collectively suck, but have the same balance and not have a POY candidate as well.
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Re: MVC POY

Postby BirdsEyeView » January 10th, 2017, 10:35 pm

Redbirdgrad wrote:Absolutely right.

I wasn't talking about the recruits being in the same ballpark just that the production balance is hurting individual POY candidates.

You could collectively suck, but have the same balance and not have a POY candidate as well.


I agree wholeheartedly.
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Re: MVC POY

Postby SalukiHoops » January 11th, 2017, 12:17 am

I feel Paris Lee deserves more credit and more votes in this poll. He runs that Redbird team
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Re: MVC POY

Postby tribecalledquest » January 11th, 2017, 10:22 pm

Milton Doyle is the best player in the league overall for my money.
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Re: MVC POY

Postby Wufan » January 12th, 2017, 6:00 am

tribecalledquest wrote:Milton Doyle is the best player in the league overall for my money.


He good!
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Re: MVC POY

Postby Redhawk » January 12th, 2017, 7:31 am

tribecalledquest wrote:Milton Doyle is the best player in the league overall for my money.


Doyle is playing great but if you are talking "best player" I would take Jeremy Morgan over him.
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Re: MVC POY

Postby BirdsEyeView » January 12th, 2017, 8:27 am

Redhawk wrote:
tribecalledquest wrote:Milton Doyle is the best player in the league overall for my money.


Doyle is playing great but if you are talking "best player" I would take Jeremy Morgan over him.


He has been hot his last two games for sure.
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Re: MVC POY

Postby tribecalledquest » January 12th, 2017, 10:22 am

Redhawk wrote:
tribecalledquest wrote:Milton Doyle is the best player in the league overall for my money.


Doyle is playing great but if you are talking "best player" I would take Jeremy Morgan over him.


Doyle is a better athlete and better playmaker, IMO.
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Re: MVC POY

Postby BirdsEyeView » January 12th, 2017, 10:45 am

tribecalledquest wrote:
Redhawk wrote:
tribecalledquest wrote:Milton Doyle is the best player in the league overall for my money.


Doyle is playing great but if you are talking "best player" I would take Jeremy Morgan over him.


Doyle is a better athlete and better playmaker, IMO.


Doyle has only been good for a few games. He was a non-factor versus us. Consistency wins the POY. Show me consistency like FVV over the last few years and I will then vote for Milton Doyle.

Edit* I apologize I looked at his stats this season after posting and every game double digit scoring with good overall numbers.

My influence came from the one game I watched against ISUr. He is definitely a good POY candidate.
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