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Re: Wed, Jan 11th. 5th MVC Game

PostPosted: January 11th, 2017, 10:11 am
by tribecalledquest
Really interested in the SIU-ISU game.

In years past, ISU teams would crap the bed in this game as the showdown with the Shox looms. Will this year be different?

Re: Wed, Jan 11th. 5th MVC Game

PostPosted: January 11th, 2017, 10:24 am
by BirdsEyeView
tribecalledquest wrote:Really interested in the SIU-ISU game.

In years past, ISU teams would crap the bed in this game as the showdown with the Shox looms. Will this year be different?


Cautiously optimistic. We should win though, but like you said, we like to crap the bed in these types of games so I would not be surprised.

We are considered SIU's biggest rival as well to their fans. It's their "black out" game, so as WSU fans say...the Super Bowl for them!

Re: Wed, Jan 11th. 5th MVC Game

PostPosted: January 11th, 2017, 10:33 am
by Majik45
I think the two most interesting games tonight are ISU@SIU and UNI@BU.

We'll see if ISU can challenge WSU to win the valley tonight, as they need a win like this to compete. Also interesting for SIU as they will have won 4 in a row after dropping the game at Bradley.

If UNI loses @ Bradley tonight, they are definitely in danger of being a play in team. We'll see how Bradley responds after getting drubbed at home by Loyola.

Re: Wed, Jan 11th. 5th MVC Game

PostPosted: January 11th, 2017, 12:00 pm
by Ricardo del Rio
Majik45 wrote:If UNI loses @ Bradley tonight, they are definitely in danger of being a play in team. We'll see how Bradley responds after getting drubbed at home by Loyola.


Say it ain't so, Joe.

Re: Wed, Jan 11th. 5th MVC Game

PostPosted: January 11th, 2017, 12:22 pm
by James_SIU
Having gone to every SIU game the last 10 years I can't tell that we have a "rival" anymore. Obviously WSU games bring in the biggest crowds but other than that every game feels the same in the arena to me. The Blackout game seems to be a random opponent as well. It is all about the cancer research funding. Creighton was our only rival for years...really doesn't feel like we have a replacement.

Re: Wed, Jan 11th. 5th MVC Game

PostPosted: January 11th, 2017, 12:46 pm
by BirdsEyeView
James_SIU wrote:Having gone to every SIU game the last 10 years I can't tell that we have a "rival" anymore. Obviously WSU games bring in the biggest crowds but other than that every game feels the same in the arena to me. The Blackout game seems to be a random opponent as well. It is all about the cancer research funding. Creighton was our only rival for years...really doesn't feel like we have a replacement.


A small sample size of your fan base on your message board disagrees...and they seem to hate us as well.

http://salukination.net/viewtopic.php?f ... 656c436cc0

Hard to have a true rival when you haven't been any good at all in the last 10 years! And before I get attacked, yes we haven't been to the NCAAs since 1998, but we have made the finals of Arch in 4 of the last 9 years. So we have been good, just not good enough.

Re: Wed, Jan 11th. 5th MVC Game

PostPosted: January 11th, 2017, 12:59 pm
by Cdizzle
Making the finals of a tournament of valley teams does not qualify one as a "good" team.

Re: Wed, Jan 11th. 5th MVC Game

PostPosted: January 11th, 2017, 1:06 pm
by hot nuts
Cdizzle wrote:Making the finals of a tournament of valley teams does not qualify one as a "good" team.


Would you accept, relevant? At least MVC relevant?

Re: Wed, Jan 11th. 5th MVC Game

PostPosted: January 11th, 2017, 1:24 pm
by Cdizzle
hot nuts wrote:
Cdizzle wrote:Making the finals of a tournament of valley teams does not qualify one as a "good" team.


Would you accept, relevant? At least MVC relevant?

I'm not really referencing ISU specifically with my above comments. Getting to the finals in St. Louis can involve beating 2 teams of questionable quality. It doesn't mean you suck, but that alone is a tremendously weak argument to be a 'good' team.

Re: Wed, Jan 11th. 5th MVC Game

PostPosted: January 11th, 2017, 1:47 pm
by specialsauce
Cdizzle wrote:Making the finals of a tournament of valley teams does not qualify one as a "good" team.


Agreed. Conference tourney smack is pretty weak. It's not a good place to hang your hat on.

Re: Wed, Jan 11th. 5th MVC Game

PostPosted: January 11th, 2017, 1:49 pm
by Redbirdgrad
Cdizzle wrote:Getting to the finals in St. Louis can involve beating 2 teams of questionable quality. It doesn't mean you suck, but that alone is a tremendously weak argument to be a 'good' team.


2014-2015 - defeated Evansville, #8 Ranked Wichita State http://www.espn.com/ncb/recap/_/gameId/400766594

2012-2013 - defeated Northern Iowa, #15 Ranked Wichita State
http://www.espn.com/ncb/recap/_/gameId/320632724

2008-2009 - defeated Evansville, Creighton (26-7)
http://www.espn.com/ncb/recap/_/gameId/290660156

2007-2008 - defeated Missouri State, Northern Iowa
http://www.espn.com/ncb/recap/_/gameId/280682287

Can understand your point Cdizzle, but from the Birds history in making runs at these tourneys, we've always played someone pretty good in that 2nd game... You guys twice, while ranked nationally. A very solid Creighton team in 2008-2009. You have to go back to the 2007-2008 Northern Iowa team that was seeded 6th to find a game that wasn't a tough match-up to make your claim correct.


In the state of the current Valley? No, a Saturday win isn't anything to write home about (usually). But when you look back 10 years... there were some pretty good games and competition coming out of those semifinal games.

Re: Wed, Jan 11th. 5th MVC Game

PostPosted: January 11th, 2017, 1:56 pm
by BirdsEyeView
Nitpicking here Wichita guys.

It's impossible to measure what is considered a good vs great vs average vs bad team. I would consider us to be good, but not good enough team in all of those years.

Your opinions are skewed towards your own perceptions stemming from undefeated seasons, Final Fours, constant NCAA Tournaments. You guys would be considered "great" mid-major teams in those years.