Redbirdgrad wrote:Play Angry wrote:Why is the original assertion that ISU has been "good" since it's last tournament appearance being backed up with citations to 4 tournament runs to the final game during an 18 year stretch? The merits of whether those wins in those specific conference tournaments make a team "good" have been discussed ad nauseum above, but the entire counterpoint using 2008, 2009, 2013 and 2015 as support to defend the assertion of being "good" over a near-two decade time span is either intellectually insincere or just a very poorly constructed argument.
An equally effective tactic would be to post ISUr's results from its 4 or 5 shittiest seasons during that same time span and somehow try to pretend that such proof conclusively refutes (lol) an assertion that ISUr was good during that much, much longer period. Multiple subsequent claims that any poster who disagree was checkmated or refuted (again, lol) by such "proof" would be, you guessed it, retarded. Because it is a very, very poor way to prove or disprove the original point.
In short, let's please argue more effectively.
Play Angry, please tell me you can read or you're going to get lumped into a group with your boy Championz. It's cute coming to his defense though...
The original data points that I gave of those 4 years were the entire data set in which those points existed. Another Bird fan stated we had made it to the finals 4 of the last 9 years, and those are the points in which arguments were based around when discussing "good" teams.
So unless you want me to include quarterfinal or semifinal losses during that time when discussing "years in which we went to the title game"... 4 and only 4 years can be used.
In short, let's please read more effectively. Nice try though. I can see that Shocker education just shining from this board right now.
Those data points aren't valid. You missed the entire argument, but thanks for the back and forth.