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Redbirdgrad wrote:Looking back through recent history... these teams all missed out on the dance.

St. Mary's (2015-2016) - 26-5, 38 RPI, 148 SOS
St. Bonaventure (2015-2016) - 22-8, 30 RPI, 81 SOS
Colorado State (2014-2015) - 26-6, 29 RPI, 111 SOS
Southern Miss (2013-2014) - 25-6, 34 RPI, 132 SOS


Why cherry pick these teams? They've all got decent RPI's with bad SOS's. Good win totals (except for St. Bonaventure, but they had a better SOS), and none got in. There's at least 1 example of this a year.

According to RPIforecast, ISU currently has a projection of 36.3 RPI, 123 SOS. That would lump them in this group without any good wins on the resume.

If ISU runs the table? Projected at 27-5, 23 RPI, 111 SOS. Better RPI than the above, but the same general grouping. Still, no good wins on the resume. Missouri State carries the torch with a 21 RPI to not get in... ISU just needs to continue to play well and focus on St. Louis. That's the best hope any Valley team has right now.

Wufan wrote:

Redbirdgrad wrote:Looking back through recent history... these teams all missed out on the dance.

St. Mary's (2015-2016) - 26-5, 38 RPI, 148 SOS
St. Bonaventure (2015-2016) - 22-8, 30 RPI, 81 SOS
Colorado State (2014-2015) - 26-6, 29 RPI, 111 SOS
Southern Miss (2013-2014) - 25-6, 34 RPI, 132 SOS


Why cherry pick these teams? They've all got decent RPI's with bad SOS's. Good win totals (except for St. Bonaventure, but they had a better SOS), and none got in. There's at least 1 example of this a year.

According to RPIforecast, ISU currently has a projection of 36.3 RPI, 123 SOS. That would lump them in this group without any good wins on the resume.

If ISU runs the table? Projected at 27-5, 23 RPI, 111 SOS. Better RPI than the above, but the same general grouping. Still, no good wins on the resume. Missouri State carries the torch with a 21 RPI to not get in... ISU just needs to continue to play well and focus on St. Louis. That's the best hope any Valley team has right now.

This is true, except that ISU would have two top 50 wins against WSU.

cpacmel wrote:http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18468008/ncaa-tournament-officials-meet-analytics-experts-consider-creating-new-metric

According to an article posted on NCAA.com on Friday, Dan Gavitt, the NCAA's senior vice president of basketball, and Jim Schaus, Ohio's athletic director and a member of the NCAA tournament selection committee, will meet with Jeff Sagarin (Sagarin), Kevin Pauga (KPI), Ken Pomeroy (KenPom.com) and Ben Alamar (ESPN's BPI) to discuss the selection process and consider a new measuring stick.

The new metric could be implemented into the official selection process as early as the 2017-18 season.

And it's not like selection committee members don't have access to things like KenPom, Sagarin, L.R.M.C., B.P.I., K.P.I. etc, already. BECAUSE THEY DO. And some of them already do use them in making their selections. Each committee member is free to use whatever ranking / rating he wants to. On Friday when Jerry Palm and Pomeroy and others meet it is to try to include a new metric that might replace the RPI. They also want other metrics to be included on team sheets. Right now the data that is on the official team sheets all comes from RPI.

Wufan wrote:

Redbirdgrad wrote:Looking back through recent history... these teams all missed out on the dance.

St. Mary's (2015-2016) - 26-5, 38 RPI, 148 SOS
St. Bonaventure (2015-2016) - 22-8, 30 RPI, 81 SOS
Colorado State (2014-2015) - 26-6, 29 RPI, 111 SOS
Southern Miss (2013-2014) - 25-6, 34 RPI, 132 SOS


Why cherry pick these teams? They've all got decent RPI's with bad SOS's. Good win totals (except for St. Bonaventure, but they had a better SOS), and none got in. There's at least 1 example of this a year.

According to RPIforecast, ISU currently has a projection of 36.3 RPI, 123 SOS. That would lump them in this group without any good wins on the resume.

If ISU runs the table? Projected at 27-5, 23 RPI, 111 SOS. Better RPI than the above, but the same general grouping. Still, no good wins on the resume. Missouri State carries the torch with a 21 RPI to not get in... ISU just needs to continue to play well and focus on St. Louis. That's the best hope any Valley team has right now.

This is true, except that ISU would have two top 50 wins against WSU.

BirdsEyeView wrote:

Wufan wrote:

Redbirdgrad wrote:Looking back through recent history... these teams all missed out on the dance.

St. Mary's (2015-2016) - 26-5, 38 RPI, 148 SOS
St. Bonaventure (2015-2016) - 22-8, 30 RPI, 81 SOS
Colorado State (2014-2015) - 26-6, 29 RPI, 111 SOS
Southern Miss (2013-2014) - 25-6, 34 RPI, 132 SOS


Why cherry pick these teams? They've all got decent RPI's with bad SOS's. Good win totals (except for St. Bonaventure, but they had a better SOS), and none got in. There's at least 1 example of this a year.

According to RPIforecast, ISU currently has a projection of 36.3 RPI, 123 SOS. That would lump them in this group without any good wins on the resume.

If ISU runs the table? Projected at 27-5, 23 RPI, 111 SOS. Better RPI than the above, but the same general grouping. Still, no good wins on the resume. Missouri State carries the torch with a 21 RPI to not get in... ISU just needs to continue to play well and focus on St. Louis. That's the best hope any Valley team has right now.

This is true, except that ISU would have two top 50 wins against WSU.

Are you basing your top 50 RPI ranking for WSU as by season's end with the RPI forecast?

Redhawk wrote:CBS Bracketology has ISU in as a 12 seed playing Minnesota. That would be interesting....

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology