TheObserver wrote: BirdsEyeView wrote:
Redbirdgrad wrote:Good to see the Valley getting traction in the polls, albeit slowly.
Wichita with 8 votes in the AP and 3 in the coaches.
ISU with 2 votes in the AP.
Wish it was #23 Wichita vs. #25 ISU on Saturday for a little more national traction, but it is what it is.
Just glad 2 of us are moving up still!
This is good news. Strange that ISUr is behind them given the only comparison is a 14 point win for ISU...but that doesn't matter one bit right now.
Visibility for the league is most important. Might even be locker room motivation for the Birds this week being behind the Shox in the polls.
I would hope there is more locker room material available than an 8-2 AP vote difference. WSU is the bigger name and has been on a lot of these guys' ballots over the years. I'm sure a lot of people dont even know that Illinois State is even in the Valley. Simple as that really.
Careful with the comparison game. By that logic, WVU should be ahead of KU, and so on and so forth. While WSU doesn't have a good win, they also don't have a bad loss. The same can't be said for Illinois State.
You are correct on name recognition, but that locker room material does not hurt does it? If I were Dan Muller, it would absolutely be used as a "nobody believes in us" mentality. Gotta keep the message fresh at this point in the season.
As for your comparison argument. I get that about comparing teams, however, over the last month, nothing has changed for either team except one game, which happened to be head to head.
These polls are typically based on recency. That is if a team lost in early November, they would drop in the rankings. In the time since then, if that team only wins, they will then continue to improve in the rankings. It's how these polls work.
Using your example above:
WVU has lost games they should have won (@Texas Tech, vs Oklahoma, @ KState) that has made them drop in rank. Meanwhile Kansas has only lost one game. If all things were equal...that is they each won every game except head to head. Then you can bet the bank WVU would be ahead of KU. But, West Virginia has sh** the bed three times.
In our case, both teams have done nothing but win Valley games...except a 14 point win for ISUr over Shox.
At the end of the day, these rankings mean nothing as I said in my original post above. It's just for chatter and popularity for the sport.