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Aargh wrote:
If Evansville had a single player who would be a starter for either IlSU or WSU, Evansville wouldn't be playing Thursday in St. Louis.

Aargh wrote:WSU fans had 4 years of watching two guards who are now in the NBA. Prior to that we got to watch some guys named Armstead, Hannah, and Ragland. We've watched those guys play against some of the best guards in all of D1 when they made runs in the NCAA and NIT tourneys.

Do UE fans have any similar background for evaluating guard play?

Although it is kind of fun to banter with fans of a Thursday night team talking smack on the top 2 teams in the league's players. UE finished 11games behind UE and WSU. ELEVEN! There were only 18 games on the schedule. This is gold. Pure gold.

Aargh wrote:

municup14 wrote:Your freaking crazy,he would be a starter on both of those teams

If Evansville had a single player who would be a starter for either IlSU or WSU, Evansville wouldn't be playing Thursday in St. Louis.

I'm afraid you don't understand what it means to be a starter on a good team. If Evansville is your fan choice, you've grown accustomed to mediocrity. WSU's starting guards were ranked #86 and #43 when they came out of high school. That was in the nation - not in their HS classification in their home state.

Brown shoots 47.4% from the field. That's not among the top 12 in the league. Shamet averages 3.4 assists and only played PG half the conference season. Brown averaged 3.1. Shamet's A/TO ratio is 3.3, first in the league. I consider Lee a TO machine with his 1.8 A/TO ratio. Brown's is 1.2. Frankamp doesn't have enough to qualify as an MVC leader, but his is at 4.5.

Brown shoots 42.9% from 3. Shamet shoots 45.7, Frankamp shoots 43.7. I don't find Brown listed in any defensive stats. Both IlSU and WSU play smothering D, which generally pushes players hard on that end of the court and diminishes their production on the offensive end. Brown is leading the league in minutes played. No players from IlSU or WSU are in the top 12 in the league. If Lee, Shamet, Wills, or Frankamp played 36 minutes, Brown's stats wouldn't look nearly so good.

The fact that Brown plays on a crappy team doesn't make him a better player. It just means everything runs through him, so he gets more opportunities than plauyers on teams that have some balance on their rosters.

If Austin Reaves hadn't had injury issues, and if you were to adjust his stats to 36 minutes a game, he would have out performed Brown. Brown would have been the #5 option on the court as either PG or SG. Daishon Smith had FG%'s similar to Browns' - 40.9% from 3. His A/TO ration was 2.0. He got benched for poor shooting and turnovers. He's much quicker than Brown on D. Reaves had an A/TO ration of 2.2.

I don't believe I'm the one that's freakin' crazy.

TheObserver wrote:I love EU fans.

municup14 wrote:

Aargh wrote:

municup14 wrote:Your freaking crazy,he would be a starter on both of those teams

If Evansville had a single player who would be a starter for either IlSU or WSU, Evansville wouldn't be playing Thursday in St. Louis.

I'm afraid you don't understand what it means to be a starter on a good team. If Evansville is your fan choice, you've grown accustomed to mediocrity. WSU's starting guards were ranked #86 and #43 when they came out of high school. That was in the nation - not in their HS classification in their home state.

Brown shoots 47.4% from the field. That's not among the top 12 in the league. Shamet averages 3.4 assists and only played PG half the conference season. Brown averaged 3.1. Shamet's A/TO ratio is 3.3, first in the league. I consider Lee a TO machine with his 1.8 A/TO ratio. Brown's is 1.2. Frankamp doesn't have enough to qualify as an MVC leader, but his is at 4.5.

Brown shoots 42.9% from 3. Shamet shoots 45.7, Frankamp shoots 43.7. I don't find Brown listed in any defensive stats. Both IlSU and WSU play smothering D, which generally pushes players hard on that end of the court and diminishes their production on the offensive end. Brown is leading the league in minutes played. No players from IlSU or WSU are in the top 12 in the league. If Lee, Shamet, Wills, or Frankamp played 36 minutes, Brown's stats wouldn't look nearly so good.

The fact that Brown plays on a crappy team doesn't make him a better player. It just means everything runs through him, so he gets more opportunities than plauyers on teams that have some balance on their rosters.

If Austin Reaves hadn't had injury issues, and if you were to adjust his stats to 36 minutes a game, he would have out performed Brown. Brown would have been the #5 option on the court as either PG or SG. Daishon Smith had FG%'s similar to Browns' - 40.9% from 3. His A/TO ration was 2.0. He got benched for poor shooting and turnovers. He's much quicker than Brown on D. Reaves had an A/TO ration of 2.2.

I don't believe I'm the one that's freakin' crazy.

Why do you think Wichita recruited Jaylon

BlueChipShock wrote:ISUr and WSU went 17-1 and finished EIGHT games ahead of the field in the MVC....to the victor go the spoils.

First team ALL MVC

P Lee - POY
Hawkins
McDuffie
Shamet -NCOY/FOY
Morris

SalukiHoops wrote:

BlueChipShock wrote:ISUr and WSU went 17-1 and finished EIGHT games ahead of the field in the MVC....to the victor go the spoils.

First team ALL MVC

P Lee - POY
Hawkins
McDuffie
Shamet -NCOY/FOY
Morris

yeah...... that wont happen