Who wins in St. Louis

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Who wins in St. Louis

Poll ended at March 2nd, 2017, 8:28 pm

Wichita State
39
51%
Illinois State
16
21%
Northern Iowa
12
16%
Someone Else
10
13%
 
Total votes : 77

Re: Who wins in St. Louis

Postby 2livewu » February 18th, 2017, 9:25 am

Stickboy46 wrote:I've said before, that i think this WSU is better than the last couple of years even without VanVleet and Baker.

This article lists a lot of the stats that agree with that. The biggest one is the 3 pt shooting. This is a lot better 3 pt shooting team than the last few years. Each of the losses last year in the MVC were all horrible 3 pt shooting games. I see that as a lot less likely to happen this year.

http://fansided.com/2017/02/17/wichita- ... haracters/


Let's remember that to date, schedule wise, this year's WSU team is exactly the same as last year's. We'll see if there is a difference in a few hours.

We bag on the Valley, as it should be bagged on, for being shitty, but it's less shitty than last year. Drake's pre-conference nightmare not withstanding.

Last year's Shocker team was much better in the clutch. This year's WSU team really hasn't had much clutch time. Again, we may learn something about that later this morning.

Clearly this year's team can shoot at a very high level, but I doubt when they get back against elite teams that the % will continue. The P5s can guard the perimeter unlike Valley teams.

Guys, give it up. The only metric you can use to say Jake is a better coach than Gregg is to claim the growth rate of success is superior given the disparity of talent. Ben is a really good coach. Gregg is better.
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Re: Who wins in St. Louis

Postby bleach » February 18th, 2017, 9:30 am

Aargh wrote:
BirdsEyeView wrote:Why are we so worked up over this?
Here is how I would rank the coaches in the Missoura Vally Confrenc:

1. Greg Marshal
2. Ben Jacobsen
3. Dan Mueller
4. Gregg Lanseng
5. Barry Hinsen
6. Porter Mosur
7. Bryan Wardall
8. Marti Simmuns
9. Geoff Ruder
10. Paul Lusck

The order is not that important, however at least I spelled everyone's names right.
No, you didn't. It's Porter Mosier.


I think he was kidding. at least half those are spelled wrong ;) .
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Re: Who wins in St. Louis

Postby Wufan » February 18th, 2017, 12:59 pm

Clearly the best coach in the league keeps it within 30.
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Re: Who wins in St. Louis

Postby Cdizzle » February 18th, 2017, 4:26 pm

Wufan wrote:Clearly the best coach in the league keeps it within 30.


Hey, the average this year is only 21.5. That's about 10 points in margin better than it would be if they didn't have the best coach in the league.
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Re: Who wins in St. Louis

Postby BirdsEyeView » February 19th, 2017, 5:11 pm

Redbird222 wrote:
BirdsEyeView wrote:
BirdsEyeView wrote:
Your ability to assess is very much lacking. That, or you haven't watched UNI play much and are just guessing off past experiences.

At full strength, we are much better than them. Besides, I'm not even talking about what happens at UNI...this convo was about Arch Madness.

If I had to rank teams I would want ISUr to play at Arch Madness (first) it would go like this:

1. Bradley
2. Drake
3. Evansville
4. Indy St.
5. SIU
6. UNI
7. Missouri St.
8. Loyola
9. Wichita State

And, honestly, at full strength, nobody scares me until WSU in the finals.


Only because the potential ceiling is much higher for MSU and Loyola. They both have the players to compete and cause us troubles if our offense struggles (both have a more high powered offense than UNI by far).


Move Loyola to 6, UNI 7, and MSU to 8. MSU is not a great match up for us.


I think my order is pretty damn accurate!
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Re: Who wins in St. Louis

Postby Stickboy46 » February 21st, 2017, 10:00 am

I love Haslametrics team breakdowns. He currently has WSU 8th in the country and in a 6 seed slot and ranked 10th in "momentum" which is a measure of recent performances.

http://haslametrics.com/ratings2.php?yr=&tid=5471

Also interesting. ISU is ranked 8th from the bottom of DI in Momentum, which is kind of is what a lot of people are seeing. ISU struggling lately.

http://haslametrics.com/ratings2.php?yr=&tid=4597
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Re: Who wins in St. Louis

Postby municup14 » February 22nd, 2017, 5:48 am

Wichita is by far playing the best ball,Marshall has them
Zeroed in. :bow: :bow: :bow:
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Re: Who wins in St. Louis

Postby Aargh » February 22nd, 2017, 11:03 pm

municup14 wrote:Wichita is by far playing the best ball,Marshall has them
Zeroed in. :bow: :bow: :bow:

Switching Shamet to PG and Frankamp to SG made a HUGE difference. WSU is a much better team with Shamet at PG. Frankamp is a much better player when he's relied on to score instead of set up the offense.

Fankamp was a 4-star top-50 player out of HS. He's starting to look like he deserved that rating. He's also become a defensive stud, which surprised a lot of WSU fans and Frankamp supporters.
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Re: Who wins in St. Louis

Postby musiccitybulldog » February 23rd, 2017, 5:30 pm

Will WSU win all their games by 20?
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Re: Who wins in St. Louis

Postby SubGod22 » February 23rd, 2017, 5:33 pm

musiccitybulldog wrote:Will WSU win all their games by 20?


I'm going with yes.
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