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Re: Congrats, Shockers

Postby Cdizzle » March 5th, 2017, 8:56 pm

I still don't know how our defense will hold up against teams that are actually good offensively.

And I love Frankamp and Shamet the last 7 weeks, but they are pretty untested against guards that pressure, which could be problematic.

Still, WSU can score more easily this year than maybe any team we've had, with the possible exception of the undefeated team. They scored 71 today on a team that has a better defense than WSU is likely to see in the first weekend and knows the entire WSU roster and system.
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Re: Congrats, Shockers

Postby Wufan » March 5th, 2017, 9:30 pm

I don't remember what thread it was, but there was some pre-tourney discussion on defensive match-ups. Over the last several weeks, WSU has placed the 6-6, 220 lb Zach Brown on the opposition PG (Jaylon Brown was the exception). While he is offensively anemic, he is one of the best defenders in the MVC, truly capable of guarding the 1-4. He only plays about 20 minutes a game and WSU has been switching a lot on screens, so he didn't do it alone, but he was very good at shutting down the opposition (Dequon Miller), forcing them to be volume shooters (Lee), or at least disrupting the initiation of the offense. He did a decent job on Lee today, but more impressive was that our skinny kids, McDuffie and Shamet, did great on Hawkins and McIntosh respectively. While they both have length and quickness, neither has the bulk to make them obvious. At h-ups. I'm surprised Dan didn't post these guys up more. It was an interesting move that I didn't think would work.
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Re: Congrats, Shockers

Postby BirdsEyeView » March 5th, 2017, 11:07 pm

Congrats Shox.

I would guess a 6 or 7 seed for you guys....which means you'll get a 10
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Re: Congrats, Shockers

Postby Redbirds4Life » March 6th, 2017, 8:24 am

Sucks to see the boys go down, but hats off to the Shox. Better team won the game. Not much else to be said, ISU is really good, but WSU is just another level. Wichita State will probably be looking at an 8 or 9ish type seed, which is way too low for that team. If in the 2nd round they play a #1 or #2, look out for them. Wichita State is one of the scariest teams in the field for any of the big dogs. Hope they get it done.

As for the Redbirds, N-I-T Bound. - Which is a shame...
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Re: Congrats, Shockers

Postby LanceShock » March 6th, 2017, 8:59 am

Redbirds4Life wrote:Sucks to see the boys go down, but hats off to the Shox. Better team won the game. Not much else to be said, ISU is really good, but WSU is just another level. Wichita State will probably be looking at an 8 or 9ish type seed, which is way too low for that team. If in the 2nd round they play a #1 or #2, look out for them. Wichita State is one of the scariest teams in the field for any of the big dogs. Hope they get it done.

As for the Redbirds, N-I-T Bound. - Which is a shame...

I'm scared that you are right about that. With all of the "losses don't matter" and top wins matter talk, it doesn't sound good for the Redbirds.

It may be a lousy consolation prize, but a deep NIT run can still be fun to watch if they can regroup and rest up over the next week. Plus, Illinois State will probably be mentioned quite a bit in all the bubble talk the next week. Again, not exactly what you want, but still good for your program.
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Re: Congrats, Shockers

Postby Redbirds4Life » March 6th, 2017, 9:15 am

LanceShock wrote:
Redbirds4Life wrote:Sucks to see the boys go down, but hats off to the Shox. Better team won the game. Not much else to be said, ISU is really good, but WSU is just another level. Wichita State will probably be looking at an 8 or 9ish type seed, which is way too low for that team. If in the 2nd round they play a #1 or #2, look out for them. Wichita State is one of the scariest teams in the field for any of the big dogs. Hope they get it done.

As for the Redbirds, N-I-T Bound. - Which is a shame...

I'm scared that you are right about that. With all of the "losses don't matter" and top wins matter talk, it doesn't sound good for the Redbirds.

It may be a lousy consolation prize, but a deep NIT run can still be fun to watch if they can regroup and rest up over the next week. Plus, Illinois State will probably be mentioned quite a bit in all the bubble talk the next week. Again, not exactly what you want, but still good for your program.


I hope that Wichita State beats some ass in the NCAAs, I really do. I am among the few ISU fans that doesn't totally hate Wichita State.

As for the consolation prize, after 19 years of missing the big dance and all you have is some NIT games here and there, can't say that really gets me too excited. To be honest, I didn't really care all that much the last time they made the NIT.
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Re: Congrats, Shockers

Postby Redhawk » March 6th, 2017, 9:23 am

Redbirds4Life wrote:
I am among the few ISU fans that doesn't totally hate Wichita State.


The majority of Redbird fans do not hate WSU.
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Re: Congrats, Shockers

Postby Redbirds4Life » March 6th, 2017, 10:02 am

Redhawk wrote:
Redbirds4Life wrote:
I am among the few ISU fans that doesn't totally hate Wichita State.


The majority of Redbird fans do not hate WSU.


I don't think that you and I talk to the same Redbird fans then...
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Re: Congrats, Shockers

Postby BirdsEyeView » March 6th, 2017, 10:44 am

Redbirds4Life wrote:
Redhawk wrote:
Redbirds4Life wrote:
I am among the few ISU fans that doesn't totally hate Wichita State.


The majority of Redbird fans do not hate WSU.


I don't think that you and I talk to the same Redbird fans then...


There is a difference between jealousy and hatred.
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Re: Congrats, Shockers

Postby purple&orange » March 6th, 2017, 4:39 pm

Congrats on winning this past weekend and best of luck on making a run in the NCAAs. They are a fun group to watch and I can see them having a great opportunity to make a run. Hard to believe that none of the guys playing meaningful minutes are seniors.
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Re: Congrats, Shockers

Postby Rollbird5 » March 6th, 2017, 6:13 pm

Wufan wrote:I don't remember what thread it was, but there was some pre-tourney discussion on defensive match-ups. Over the last several weeks, WSU has placed the 6-6, 220 lb Zach Brown on the opposition PG (Jaylon Brown was the exception). While he is offensively anemic, he is one of the best defenders in the MVC, truly capable of guarding the 1-4. He only plays about 20 minutes a game and WSU has been switching a lot on screens, so he didn't do it alone, but he was very good at shutting down the opposition (Dequon Miller), forcing them to be volume shooters (Lee), or at least disrupting the initiation of the offense. He did a decent job on Lee today, but more impressive was that our skinny kids, McDuffie and Shamet, did great on Hawkins and McIntosh respectively. While they both have length and quickness, neither has the bulk to make them obvious. At h-ups. I'm surprised Dan didn't post these guys up more. It was an interesting move that I didn't think would work.

I think I brought it up initially. I thought we would have a pretty good advantage at the position that Shamet guarded if Brown was on Lee. McIntosh missed some close shots/jump hooks that he makes a lot of the time but most of that had to do with the defense the Shox played. Landry did a pretty good job and had some help from the help defense when needed. Overall really good defensive effort as I think that was our worst shooting game all season percentage wise.
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Re: Congrats, Shockers

Postby shockalot » March 10th, 2017, 9:24 pm

As a life-long Shocker fan, I appreciate fans of other teams on here being so gracious as to wish WSU well, particularly in the face of too many a$$hat WSU posters ruining so many threads with their childish reactionary rubbish and egotistical projection of themselves as if they themselves can take credit for being Champions.
I take no responsibility for them, but apologize none-the-less. All fan bases have such creatures, but it only gets worse when a team becomes dominant. Then every psychopath and sociopath sports jerk with even a tenuous connection to the institution becomes a "fan".
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