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Postby MoValleyFan » March 8th, 2017, 8:20 pm

Am I the only one who thinks that Scottrade Center is worn out and becoming a depressing venue for the MVC Tournament. This was my tenth year attending Arch Madness and I can say that the facility is tired, food quality was poor, and the commitment to the MVC didn't seem to be there. I'm wondering if they actually want the tournament to remain in STL. Honestly for the Championship game to draw the following attendance is really surprising. I threw in the Summit League and sure SDSU has a "home game"in Sioux Falls its surprising that the MVC doesn't draw more. This is no dig on any school in the MVC but really disappointing...

Scottrade Center
St. Louis, Missouri
Attendance: 11,744
Championship Game

Denny Sanford Premier Center
Sioux Falls, South Dakota
Attendance: 9,441

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[i][i]The Valley is well known for having some of the most dedicated fanbases in all of college basketball, with several members regularly selling out their large arenas on a nightly basis throughout the year. One member (Wichita State) sold out every single game for the 2006–07 season and in 2012–13 averaged 10,312 attendees in their 10,506 seat arena. Former member (Creighton) had the sixth highest attendance for Division I in 2012–13 while Wichita State, Bradley, Illinois State, Missouri State, and Indiana State were all among the NCAA's top 100 teams in home attendance.

In 2010–11, 2011–12, and 2012–13, the Valley maintained its position as the eighth ranked conference in average attendance.

The Valley made history in March 2007 with record attendance for four days at St. Louis' Scottrade Center as 85,074 fans turned out to watch the five sessions of the tournament. The two sellout crowds of 22,612 for the semifinals and final of the 2007 State Farm Tournament set an all-time attendance record for basketball at the arena and also gave The Valley the distinction of having the largest championship crowd for any of the 30 NCAA conference tournaments in 2007.
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Re: Scottrade Center

Postby Play Angry » March 8th, 2017, 8:47 pm

The event is certainly a lifeless shell of its former self. The deterioration (collapse?) of competitiveness from the middle and lower tiers of the standings has been on full display the last few years as fans stay home in droves.
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Re: Scottrade Center

Postby pafan » March 8th, 2017, 9:24 pm

Play Angry wrote: The deterioration (collapse?) of competitiveness from the middle and lower tiers of the standings has been on full display the last few years as fans stay home in droves.


Ding ding ding.

I didn't really consider attending Arch Madness this year due to the Aces being a Thursday team and no other teams I was excited to follow.

In '07, it was almost a wide-open field. Six of the nine games were decided by 6 points or less. This year only three games were within 10 points.
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Re: Scottrade Center

Postby MoValleyFan » March 8th, 2017, 9:51 pm

pafan wrote:
Play Angry wrote: The deterioration (collapse?) of competitiveness from the middle and lower tiers of the standings has been on full display the last few years as fans stay home in droves.


Ding ding ding.

I didn't really consider attending Arch Madness this year due to the Aces being a Thursday team and no other teams I was excited to follow.

In '07, it was almost a wide-open field. Six of the nine games were decided by 6 points or less. This year only three games were within 10 points.


Parity is obviously a plus but I also know that the OVC is moving their tournament to Evansville from Nashville. The Ford Center was a big plus in the decision as its a great size for the OVC who draw about half of what the MVC does. Next year might be more of the same as I don't see WSU losing any momentum and if I were choosing between Arch Madness or the NCAA's to attend, I'm skipping STL. With that said if they moved the tournament to give it some energy I can only think of a few locations that make sense. Des Moines, Peoria, or Omaha. Any others?.....
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Re: Scottrade Center

Postby TheObserver » March 8th, 2017, 9:58 pm

They wouldn't put it in cities where MVC teams are located.
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Re: Scottrade Center

Postby Wufan » March 8th, 2017, 10:01 pm

MoValleyFan wrote:
pafan wrote:
Play Angry wrote: The deterioration (collapse?) of competitiveness from the middle and lower tiers of the standings has been on full display the last few years as fans stay home in droves.


Ding ding ding.

I didn't really consider attending Arch Madness this year due to the Aces being a Thursday team and no other teams I was excited to follow.

In '07, it was almost a wide-open field. Six of the nine games were decided by 6 points or less. This year only three games were within 10 points.


Parity is obviously a plus but I also know that the OVC is moving their tournament to Evansville from Nashville. The Ford Center was a big plus in the decision as its a great size for the OVC who draw about half of what the MVC does. Next year might be more of the same as I don't see WSU losing any momentum and if I were choosing between Arch Madness or the NCAA's to attend, I'm skipping STL. With that said if they moved the tournament to give it some energy I can only think of a few locations that make sense. Des Moines, Peoria, or Omaha. Any others?.....


Kansas City or Chicago.
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Re: Scottrade Center

Postby AndShock » March 8th, 2017, 11:09 pm

If the MVC cared about fairness, attendance, or putting out a good product they would've tried KC by now. Unfortunately the MVC only cares about "tradition", appeasing everyone but Wichita State, or just playing by Elgin's house.
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Re: Scottrade Center

Postby municup14 » March 9th, 2017, 5:46 am

If Wichita leaves the attendance drops what,4000.
And yes the facility is getting pretty nasty.
What is the capacity of St.Louis Billions home court, isn't
It a newer facility
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Re: Scottrade Center

Postby SubGod22 » March 9th, 2017, 8:53 am

I simply don't like the city of STL and stopped going. Scottrade is what it is and when you put all that together it's not worth my time or money.

Chicago would probably boost attendance. Kansas City would definitely boost attendance but it would be even more dominated by Shocker fans. If Wichita leaves, they should probably just move it to Quad Cities like the women's tournament. Unless Bradley gets things turned around, they used to have an impressive showing when they were competitive.
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Re: Scottrade Center

Postby BirdsEyeView » March 9th, 2017, 9:10 am

I enjoy STL/Scottrade, but then again, most of my time is spent in the Bud Light Zone and Ballpark Village drinking the entire weekend. So, my perception of it's true ambiance is a bit impacted.
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Re: Scottrade Center

Postby Redhawk » March 9th, 2017, 9:12 am

I actually love going to Arch Madness but things have changed quite a bit downtown since the Ballpark Village opened. Also agree that the Scottrade could use an upgrade.

As for Chicago...there is a new downtown arena under construction that will be Depaul's home court.
Only seats 10,000 which might not be enough but would probably be a great atmosphere in person and
on TV to promote the Valley!
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Re: Scottrade Center

Postby Redhawk » March 9th, 2017, 9:17 am

BirdsEyeView wrote:I enjoy STL/Scottrade, but then again, most of my time is spent in the Bud Light Zone and Ballpark Village drinking the entire weekend. So, my perception of it's true ambiance is a bit impacted.


:+1: Yes, my perception is much different when drinking with my boys down in the Lou vs. a night out with my wife. All I need at Arch Madness is cold beer, an occasional tequila sampler and a short bathroom line.
Who cares if the accommodations are dated and the food options suck...alcohol makes it all better!
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