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Re: Selection Sunday questions

Postby MVCfans » March 12th, 2017, 4:52 pm

I guess we shouldn't be surprised on the seeding WSU gets anymore. That said, I would be shocked if Wichita State doesn't hammer Dayton and get a chance to play Kentucky again.
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Re: Selection Sunday questions

Postby Bradleyfan1 » March 12th, 2017, 5:31 pm

Hammer Dayton? Lol Ittll be a war , If someone gets hammered ittll be the Shockers on the short end .
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Re: Selection Sunday questions

Postby Stickboy46 » March 12th, 2017, 5:53 pm

Bradleyfan1 wrote:Hammer Dayton? Lol Ittll be a war , If someone gets hammered ittll be the Shockers on the short end .

I'm curious what data you have to back that up. WSU already opened as 6.5 favorites
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Re: Selection Sunday questions

Postby BlueChipShock » March 12th, 2017, 6:04 pm

Well another screw job by NCAA/CBS selection committee. Say what u want about Palm but he nailed WSU's seed perfectly for about the 4th str8 year. He isn't that smart so no doubt he is being fed the info.....If WSU loses last Sunday they are out, that's the bigger picture and it's not right...10 seed doesn't bother me as much as knowing the Shox stay home without their win St Louis. So in theory, if the Cleve Cavs with Labron were in the MVC and lost a few early season games and only beat a couple top 50 teams along the way, finished 30-4 but lost in the MVC tourney, based on todays NCAA selection criteria they would be NIT bound. Not saying the Shox are as good as an NBA team but it's a sad day when the talent on the floor is no longer a criteria for non P5 schools getting in....losses don't matter to P5 schools like Vandy...... A day like today is what could drive HCGM out of Wichita sooner rather than later....
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Re: Selection Sunday questions

Postby WSpringsBird » March 12th, 2017, 6:44 pm

BlueChipShock wrote:Well another screw job by NCAA/CBS selection committee. Say what u want about Palm but he nailed WSU's seed perfectly for about the 4th str8 year. He isn't that smart so no doubt he is being fed the info.....If WSU loses last Sunday they are out, that's the bigger picture and it's not right...10 seed doesn't bother me as much as knowing the Shox stay home without their win St Louis. So in theory, if the Cleve Cavs with Labron were in the MVC and lost a few early season games and only beat a couple top 50 teams along the way, finished 30-4 but lost in the MVC tourney, based on todays NCAA selection criteria they would be NIT bound. Not saying the Shox are as good as an NBA team but it's a sad day when the talent on the floor is no longer a criteria for non P5 schools getting in....losses don't matter to P5 schools like Vandy...... A day like today is what could drive HCGM out of Wichita sooner rather than later....


Yeah, that Shockers seed was truly astonishing. If it is any consolation, it seems like pretty much all of the people who cover basketball closely thought it was an egregious mistake.
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Re: Selection Sunday questions

Postby Bradleyfan1 » March 12th, 2017, 6:47 pm

Stickboy46 wrote:
Bradleyfan1 wrote:Hammer Dayton? Lol Ittll be a war , If someone gets hammered ittll be the Shockers on the short end .

I'm curious what data you have to back that up. WSU already opened as 6.5 favorites


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Re: Selection Sunday questions

Postby TheAsianSensation » March 12th, 2017, 7:18 pm

BlueChipShock wrote:Well another screw job by NCAA/CBS selection committee. Say what u want about Palm but he nailed WSU's seed perfectly for about the 4th str8 year. He isn't that smart so no doubt he is being fed the info.....If WSU loses last Sunday they are out, that's the bigger picture and it's not right...10 seed doesn't bother me as much as knowing the Shox stay home without their win St Louis. So in theory, if the Cleve Cavs with Labron were in the MVC and lost a few early season games and only beat a couple top 50 teams along the way, finished 30-4 but lost in the MVC tourney, based on todays NCAA selection criteria they would be NIT bound. Not saying the Shox are as good as an NBA team but it's a sad day when the talent on the floor is no longer a criteria for non P5 schools getting in....losses don't matter to P5 schools like Vandy...... A day like today is what could drive HCGM out of Wichita sooner rather than later....

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Re: Selection Sunday questions

Postby Stickboy46 » March 12th, 2017, 7:22 pm

Bradleyfan1 wrote:
Stickboy46 wrote:
Bradleyfan1 wrote:Hammer Dayton? Lol Ittll be a war , If someone gets hammered ittll be the Shockers on the short end .

I'm curious what data you have to back that up. WSU already opened as 6.5 favorites


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Re: Selection Sunday questions

Postby Cdizzle » March 12th, 2017, 7:23 pm

Stickboy46 wrote:
Bradleyfan1 wrote:
Stickboy46 wrote:I'm curious what data you have to back that up. WSU already opened as 6.5 favorites


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Yes. None of WSU's players have experienced the NCAA tournament.
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Re: Selection Sunday questions

Postby TheAsianSensation » March 12th, 2017, 7:34 pm

An interesting thing to think about.

The committee described their scrubbing process. After their initial ranking of teams, they like to review the rankings by comparing two teams directly. If they deem a swap is necessary, they'll make it. If not, they leave the team where it is.

Wichita ended up at #38 on the S-Curve released by the committee. #37 was Oklahoma St. And for good measure, #35 was Michigan St.

What likely happened: the committee initially voted Wichita St as a 10 seed, somewhere around #40 overall, recognized it was really stupid. They started the scrubbing process...and stopped at Oklahoma St because of head to head, ignoring all analytics and other resume factors. Hence, Wichita stays buried on the 10 line even though they compared favorably to teams ahead of them. All because they messed up the initial vote then got trapped by H2H.
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Re: Selection Sunday questions

Postby Bradleyfan1 » March 12th, 2017, 7:36 pm

The quality is about equal , Witch being slightly deeper which will help them deeper down the road IF they can beat Dayton. . I say Dayton 76 WSU 72
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Re: Selection Sunday questions

Postby BirdsEyeView » March 12th, 2017, 8:13 pm

TheAsianSensation wrote:An interesting thing to think about.

The committee described their scrubbing process. After their initial ranking of teams, they like to review the rankings by comparing two teams directly. If they deem a swap is necessary, they'll make it. If not, they leave the team where it is.

Wichita ended up at #38 on the S-Curve released by the committee. #37 was Oklahoma St. And for good measure, #35 was Michigan St.

What likely happened: the committee initially voted Wichita St as a 10 seed, somewhere around #40 overall, recognized it was really stupid. They started the scrubbing process...and stopped at Oklahoma St because of head to head, ignoring all analytics and other resume factors. Hence, Wichita stays buried on the 10 line even though they compared favorably to teams ahead of them. All because they messed up the initial vote then got trapped by H2H.


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I think they need an overhaul to advanced metrics ASAP for seeding and inclusion going forward. A BCS style system of ranking teams would be perfect...you know without changing the format!

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