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Re: Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

Postby MissouriValleyUnite » April 21st, 2017, 10:01 pm

Lakesbison wrote:
TheAsianSensation wrote:An idle thought that's relevant to the Dakotas.

Let's assume Murray and Valpo are 10 and 11, and let's say Omaha is #12. Unlikely, but possible.

Summit loses Omaha...and the Horizon probably raids the Summit to replace Valpo (either IUPUI or IPFW. Heck, maybe both).

Then the Summit is down to:
the 4 Dakotas
Oral Bob
Denver
WIU

That's danger zone territory.

In an extreme case, the Horizon takes both Indiana schools, and WIU decides to bail to a conference like the OVC. Oral Bob was in the Southland before, maybe they bail if membership dwindles. Denver can easily bail to the WAC. There is a chain reaction out there which does result in the end of the Summit if things break the wrong way. It does require a combination of Omaha + Horizon League teams, but it's out there.


HAHA losing IUPUI, IPFW, WIU would strengthen the Summit. You guys keep slumming it with big additions like Loyola, Murray St, Milwaukee... if MVC doesn't take the Dakota's you're crazy and you caved to the Private schools. Summit will be as good as MVC if not already outside of UNI.


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Re: Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

Postby TheAsianSensation » April 21st, 2017, 10:42 pm

Lakesbison wrote:
TheAsianSensation wrote:An idle thought that's relevant to the Dakotas.

Let's assume Murray and Valpo are 10 and 11, and let's say Omaha is #12. Unlikely, but possible.

Summit loses Omaha...and the Horizon probably raids the Summit to replace Valpo (either IUPUI or IPFW. Heck, maybe both).

Then the Summit is down to:
the 4 Dakotas
Oral Bob
Denver
WIU

That's danger zone territory.

In an extreme case, the Horizon takes both Indiana schools, and WIU decides to bail to a conference like the OVC. Oral Bob was in the Southland before, maybe they bail if membership dwindles. Denver can easily bail to the WAC. There is a chain reaction out there which does result in the end of the Summit if things break the wrong way. It does require a combination of Omaha + Horizon League teams, but it's out there.


HAHA losing IUPUI, IPFW, WIU would strengthen the Summit. You guys keep slumming it with big additions like Loyola, Murray St, Milwaukee... if MVC doesn't take the Dakota's you're crazy and you caved to the Private schools. Summit will be as good as MVC if not already outside of UNI.

The point isn't that the Summit would shed the dead weight...it would be that there would be literally no one left to be in the conference.
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Re: Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

Postby ptownbraves » April 22nd, 2017, 7:26 am

Play Angry wrote:
The MVC was steadfast in not making moves to disproportionately benefit the western block (Wichita State and before they left, Creighton and Tulsa) for 3 decades despite those schools representing an outsized portion of fan support and Tournament credits. Instead, moves were made to concentrate the benefits with the balance of the schools to the westerners detriment (keeping Arch Madness in STL despite repeated lobbying to rotate with KC, adding Loyola, rotating the baseball tournament at host sites with a de-emphasis on attendance and bid size (hurting WSU and MSU), etc.).

The MVC committed to its current direction and geographic footprint a long time ago.


It's hilarious you're bringing up location of events as a reason for WSU feeling slighted. Remind me again how much Wichita's travel time and expenses will decrease next year?
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Re: Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

Postby Play Angry » April 22nd, 2017, 8:01 am

ptownbraves wrote:
Play Angry wrote:
The MVC was steadfast in not making moves to disproportionately benefit the western block (Wichita State and before they left, Creighton and Tulsa) for 3 decades despite those schools representing an outsized portion of fan support and Tournament credits. Instead, moves were made to concentrate the benefits with the balance of the schools to the westerners detriment (keeping Arch Madness in STL despite repeated lobbying to rotate with KC, adding Loyola, rotating the baseball tournament at host sites with a de-emphasis on attendance and bid size (hurting WSU and MSU), etc.).

The MVC committed to its current direction and geographic footprint a long time ago.


It's hilarious you're bringing up location of events as a reason for WSU feeling slighted. Remind me again how much Wichita's travel time and expenses will decrease next year?


Apples to oranges, but the AAC Tournament rotates and the rumored 2019 site is Tulsa. WSU fans would be thrilled with that outcome.

STL was simply an illustration of one of many, many moves which shifted the geographic focus of the conference in a way that favored the eastern block over the western block. Tulsa, WSU's biggest rival for 50 years and natural travel partner leaves, and is replaced with Evansville, a school near the edge of the eastern time zone. It's not that one decision alone was necessarily a huge deal but instead shows a divergence of interests over several decades.
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Re: Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

Postby ptownbraves » April 22nd, 2017, 8:34 am

Play Angry wrote:
ptownbraves wrote:
Play Angry wrote:
The MVC was steadfast in not making moves to disproportionately benefit the western block (Wichita State and before they left, Creighton and Tulsa) for 3 decades despite those schools representing an outsized portion of fan support and Tournament credits. Instead, moves were made to concentrate the benefits with the balance of the schools to the westerners detriment (keeping Arch Madness in STL despite repeated lobbying to rotate with KC, adding Loyola, rotating the baseball tournament at host sites with a de-emphasis on attendance and bid size (hurting WSU and MSU), etc.).

The MVC committed to its current direction and geographic footprint a long time ago.


It's hilarious you're bringing up location of events as a reason for WSU feeling slighted. Remind me again how much Wichita's travel time and expenses will decrease next year?


Apples to oranges, but the AAC Tournament rotates and the rumored 2019 site is Tulsa. WSU fans would be thrilled with that outcome.

STL was simply an illustration of one of many, many moves which shifted the geographic focus of the conference in a way that favored the eastern block over the western block. Tulsa, WSU's biggest rival for 50 years and natural travel partner leaves, and is replaced with Evansville, a school near the edge of the eastern time zone. It's not that one decision alone was necessarily a huge deal but instead shows a divergence of interests over several decades.


So who would you have wanted to replace Tulsa? What about Creighton? You have to be realistic about the fact that there just aren't as many schools West of the Mississippi.
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Re: Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

Postby mvfcfan » April 22nd, 2017, 8:52 am

Yeah Wichita State was so mistreated. It could be that our tournament is in St Louis because our conference's office happens to be there. It is also a 6 hour drive from Wichita to St Louis or you can fly to St Louis from Wichita and be there in an hour. That's tragic. :roll:

Maybe if there was more in Kansas and Oklahoma than dead grass and cows we could add some teams out there, but unfortunately there is not. If we would have added Oral Roberts or UMKC, instead of Loyola or E'Ville you all would still be complaining. Just get out already. We're tired of hearing all of these sad excuses as to why Wichita is leaving.

I don't miss Creighton and I won't miss Wichita either. I'm just glad that next year we are guaranteed to have a team in the NCAA Tournament that is proud to represent the MVC and not a team that openly wants to leave.

And don't act surprised that we are not all sad that Wichita is leaving. Your fanbase has been trashing our conference for the past several years. If Wichita had all the sudden got an invitation to the AAC and you all left that would be understandable. But trashing the conference for years and openly saying how you all need to go to a better conference isn't something we will miss. Murray State and Valpo fans are excited that they might be joining the MVC. Those are the kinds of teams and fanbases I want around. That and they are both schools that are serious about their basketball programs.
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Re: Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

Postby Play Angry » April 22nd, 2017, 8:58 am

There certainly are fewer options. I recall hearing that WSU, CU (despite concerns over public/private split) and then-SMSU lobbied for UALR at that time but were summarily dismissed and Evansville was pushed through instead.

I think you're trying to create a bit of an argument where there isn't much of one. I did not say the MVC was in conspiracy to royally eff WSU at every turn or something similar, and if that was your read on my posts, you were wrong. I don't think it's very controversial that many of the decisions made had a disproportionately negative impact on WSU and its western peers, whether that was intended or not, over the span of thirty or so years. It's a byproduct of the conscious decision to focus on a narrower geographic footprint, with budget concerns undoubtedly playing a role for some members.
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Re: Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

Postby All-MVC Fan » April 22nd, 2017, 9:08 am

It's a shame that Wichita is leaving the Valley. It's ok to admit that, too! They brought the Valley exposure like it hasn't seen in decades, for an extended period of time. But they are now gone. Let's all wish them well in the AAC and then move forward together.

Goodbye Shockers! Good luck in the AAC, and thanks for all you did for the MVC while you were here!!!

There is no need to continue discussing why any former school left, as that's all in the past. We must look to the future with the hope that the league makes the right decision for adding new schools to OUR conference.

I suggest we return to the subject at hand and talk about OUR future, instead of someone else's past. No disrespect intended (at all, as I've been clear on here as to my feelings for Wichita State), but it's becoming tiring reading about schools no longer a part of the discussion.

We should be discussing Murray State, Valpo, Milwaukee, et al, and slamming on the league office. You know, stick with what we're good at!!! :Cheers:
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Re: Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

Postby jacksfan29 » April 22nd, 2017, 12:17 pm

TheAsianSensation wrote:
Lakesbison wrote:
TheAsianSensation wrote:An idle thought that's relevant to the Dakotas.

Let's assume Murray and Valpo are 10 and 11, and let's say Omaha is #12. Unlikely, but possible.

Summit loses Omaha...and the Horizon probably raids the Summit to replace Valpo (either IUPUI or IPFW. Heck, maybe both).

Then the Summit is down to:
the 4 Dakotas
Oral Bob
Denver
WIU

That's danger zone territory.

In an extreme case, the Horizon takes both Indiana schools, and WIU decides to bail to a conference like the OVC. Oral Bob was in the Southland before, maybe they bail if membership dwindles. Denver can easily bail to the WAC. There is a chain reaction out there which does result in the end of the Summit if things break the wrong way. It does require a combination of Omaha + Horizon League teams, but it's out there.


HAHA losing IUPUI, IPFW, WIU would strengthen the Summit. You guys keep slumming it with big additions like Loyola, Murray St, Milwaukee... if MVC doesn't take the Dakota's you're crazy and you caved to the Private schools. Summit will be as good as MVC if not already outside of UNI.

The point isn't that the Summit would shed the dead weight...it would be that there would be literally no one left to be in the conference.


Which is fine, we will go west and the MVFC is dead. The current MVC football playing schools can go PFL or drop the sport.
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Re: Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

Postby TheAsianSensation » April 22nd, 2017, 3:38 pm

jacksfan29 wrote:
Which is fine, we will go west and the MVFC is dead. The current MVC football playing schools can go PFL or drop the sport.

MVCF should survive with 5 schools plus Murray and Youngstown...it'd certainly be the death of the conference as a major player in FCS, but I'm wondering if that would be a good thing for the MVC as a whole.

Either way this is obviously a far-fetched scenario, but one of those things to keep in the back of your mind if the Horizon gets frisky in trying to replace Valpo.
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