Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

[Cdizzle]

Actually this brings up an interesting point. Is there something in the conference bylaws that removes voting rights from an institution once they have given written notice to leave the league? Even if they are still in said league? I've seen the stuff about losing NCAA shares upon exit and so on. WSU is still a member of the MVC until July. Clearly the league has no need for WSU's input and WSU has no desire to provide said input or interfere with any of the league's proceedings henceforth. Obviously the same scenario occurred with Creighton a few years ago, but I don't recall it being mentioned then either.

I know when it came to voting for DBU for baseball UNI voted the way the majority did and it didn't affect the outcome of the vote - or UNI. If it was a close vote UNI would have abstained to not influence the outcome since they weren't affected. Then again - UNI wasn't leaving the conference.

I can't imagine WSU voting against anyone coming it. I can't imagine them voting at all. Likely abstaining or voting "for" because that's what will happen anyway

I also wouldn't be shocked if there is a provision hidden somewhere that states once you "agree to leave" the conference you lose voting power.

Yeah. I'm curious if there is a provision. Obviously I assume WSU would just abstain or vote with the majority. But that could make things interesting in certain instances where there is a public/private split over a prospective member and a certain number of votes are needed. I'm sure it's all written down somewhere, I just haven't found it, and it is an interesting situation to me.

Anyway. Murray and Valpo are very good candidates. Kudos to the MVC if they can make that happen this time around.

[BirdsEyeView]

First part...
I am not wrong with the first part. They have a billionaire emergency fund they can dip into when needed.

From an article:
"After an initial offer early in the week, Wichita State needed to get closer to Alabama’s offer of around $4.2 million a year for six years. The community responded. Business leaders and big boosters, with Charles Koch of Koch Industries playing a lead role, organized, donated and lobbied to raise Marshall’s salary from its current base of $1.85 million."

Koch playing a lead role in. I guess I don't understand why you are so defensive that you have big boosters, two of which have $50 billion+ in their accounts. It's a major competitive advantage that many MVC schools can't match. They can fork over money when needed....like when Alabama forced your hand. Something most mid-majors can't do.

Because it is factually incorrect.

How so? I'm now intrigued and killing time at the end of my work day.
Here is my thought process so you have the right context...
I am not saying on an annual giving basis. I am saying an "emergency fund" for money required to keep coaches around when a competing offer comes in. Your boosters can increase their giving when needed.

It's like me and you leveraging an offer to increase our salaries from our current job. They have the funds, it just needs to have the demand for them to access those funds to pay you off.

[uniftw]

I know when it came to voting for DBU for baseball UNI voted the way the majority did and it didn't affect the outcome of the vote - or UNI. If it was a close vote UNI would have abstained to not influence the outcome since they weren't affected. Then again - UNI wasn't leaving the conference.

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First time the DBU vote came up it failed. I don't know how UNI voted, but I do remember that Drake voted no (among some other schools). The second time they voted Drake abstained from voting.

I'm pretty sure UNI voted yes twice or yes once and abstain once.

I know the second time they were a yes vote. The first time I think was an abstain, and the reason they went yes the second time was to try to help the baseball schools get them in.

[TheAsianSensation]

An idle thought that's relevant to the Dakotas.

Let's assume Murray and Valpo are 10 and 11, and let's say Omaha is #12. Unlikely, but possible.

Summit loses Omaha...and the Horizon probably raids the Summit to replace Valpo (either IUPUI or IPFW. Heck, maybe both).

Then the Summit is down to:
the 4 Dakotas
Oral Bob
Denver
WIU

That's danger zone territory.

In an extreme case, the Horizon takes both Indiana schools, and WIU decides to bail to a conference like the OVC. Oral Bob was in the Southland before, maybe they bail if membership dwindles. Denver can easily bail to the WAC. There is a chain reaction out there which does result in the end of the Summit if things break the wrong way. It does require a combination of Omaha + Horizon League teams, but it's out there.

[Lakesbison]

An idle thought that's relevant to the Dakotas.

Let's assume Murray and Valpo are 10 and 11, and let's say Omaha is #12. Unlikely, but possible.

Summit loses Omaha...and the Horizon probably raids the Summit to replace Valpo (either IUPUI or IPFW. Heck, maybe both).

Then the Summit is down to:
the 4 Dakotas
Oral Bob
Denver
WIU

That's danger zone territory.

In an extreme case, the Horizon takes both Indiana schools, and WIU decides to bail to a conference like the OVC. Oral Bob was in the Southland before, maybe they bail if membership dwindles. Denver can easily bail to the WAC. There is a chain reaction out there which does result in the end of the Summit if things break the wrong way. It does require a combination of Omaha + Horizon League teams, but it's out there.

HAHA losing IUPUI, IPFW, WIU would strengthen the Summit. You guys keep slumming it with big additions like Loyola, Murray St, Milwaukee... if MVC doesn't take the Dakota's you're crazy and you caved to the Private schools. Summit will be as good as MVC if not already outside of UNI.

[mvfcfan]

LakesBison are you mad bro? Murray State and Valpo are just as good of choices if not better than the Dakota schools. A big plus is that they are actually close to the rest of the Valley schools. I for one am not too crazy about the idea of having to send the volleyball team to Fargo from Terre Haute. The MVC is also not going to poach teams from the Summit League whenever we have an agreement with them that all our scholarship football teams will play together in the MVFC.

[MissouriValleyUnite]

An idle thought that's relevant to the Dakotas.

Let's assume Murray and Valpo are 10 and 11, and let's say Omaha is #12. Unlikely, but possible.

Summit loses Omaha...and the Horizon probably raids the Summit to replace Valpo (either IUPUI or IPFW. Heck, maybe both).

Then the Summit is down to:
the 4 Dakotas
Oral Bob
Denver
WIU

That's danger zone territory.

In an extreme case, the Horizon takes both Indiana schools, and WIU decides to bail to a conference like the OVC. Oral Bob was in the Southland before, maybe they bail if membership dwindles. Denver can easily bail to the WAC. There is a chain reaction out there which does result in the end of the Summit if things break the wrong way. It does require a combination of Omaha + Horizon League teams, but it's out there.

HAHA losing IUPUI, IPFW, WIU would strengthen the Summit. You guys keep slumming it with big additions like Loyola, Murray St, Milwaukee... if MVC doesn't take the Dakota's you're crazy and you caved to the Private schools. Summit will be as good as MVC if not already outside of UNI.

Historical:
- 29 straight winning seasons
- Ungodly number of OVC titles
- Gottfried, Cronin, Kennedy, Prohm
- As a 16 seed, took 1 seed Sparty to OT

This decade:
- 2 Tourney wins
- 2 Top 25 teams
- 1 lottery pick
- 1 college gameday

Bye Felicia!

[TheAsianSensation]

An idle thought that's relevant to the Dakotas.

Let's assume Murray and Valpo are 10 and 11, and let's say Omaha is #12. Unlikely, but possible.

Summit loses Omaha...and the Horizon probably raids the Summit to replace Valpo (either IUPUI or IPFW. Heck, maybe both).

Then the Summit is down to:
the 4 Dakotas
Oral Bob
Denver
WIU

That's danger zone territory.

In an extreme case, the Horizon takes both Indiana schools, and WIU decides to bail to a conference like the OVC. Oral Bob was in the Southland before, maybe they bail if membership dwindles. Denver can easily bail to the WAC. There is a chain reaction out there which does result in the end of the Summit if things break the wrong way. It does require a combination of Omaha + Horizon League teams, but it's out there.

HAHA losing IUPUI, IPFW, WIU would strengthen the Summit. You guys keep slumming it with big additions like Loyola, Murray St, Milwaukee... if MVC doesn't take the Dakota's you're crazy and you caved to the Private schools. Summit will be as good as MVC if not already outside of UNI.

The point isn't that the Summit would shed the dead weight...it would be that there would be literally no one left to be in the conference.

[ptownbraves]

The MVC was steadfast in not making moves to disproportionately benefit the western block (Wichita State and before they left, Creighton and Tulsa) for 3 decades despite those schools representing an outsized portion of fan support and Tournament credits. Instead, moves were made to concentrate the benefits with the balance of the schools to the westerners detriment (keeping Arch Madness in STL despite repeated lobbying to rotate with KC, adding Loyola, rotating the baseball tournament at host sites with a de-emphasis on attendance and bid size (hurting WSU and MSU), etc.).

The MVC committed to its current direction and geographic footprint a long time ago.

It's hilarious you're bringing up location of events as a reason for WSU feeling slighted. Remind me again how much Wichita's travel time and expenses will decrease next year?

[Play Angry]

The MVC was steadfast in not making moves to disproportionately benefit the western block (Wichita State and before they left, Creighton and Tulsa) for 3 decades despite those schools representing an outsized portion of fan support and Tournament credits. Instead, moves were made to concentrate the benefits with the balance of the schools to the westerners detriment (keeping Arch Madness in STL despite repeated lobbying to rotate with KC, adding Loyola, rotating the baseball tournament at host sites with a de-emphasis on attendance and bid size (hurting WSU and MSU), etc.).

The MVC committed to its current direction and geographic footprint a long time ago.

It's hilarious you're bringing up location of events as a reason for WSU feeling slighted. Remind me again how much Wichita's travel time and expenses will decrease next year?

Apples to oranges, but the AAC Tournament rotates and the rumored 2019 site is Tulsa. WSU fans would be thrilled with that outcome.

STL was simply an illustration of one of many, many moves which shifted the geographic focus of the conference in a way that favored the eastern block over the western block. Tulsa, WSU's biggest rival for 50 years and natural travel partner leaves, and is replaced with Evansville, a school near the edge of the eastern time zone. It's not that one decision alone was necessarily a huge deal but instead shows a divergence of interests over several decades.