Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

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Postby UEACES80 » April 16th, 2017, 8:12 am

Good stuff Ptown. I like the UNK and Wright State combo with Valpo. If needed go to Murray State and Belmont then my level three would be UALR and UTA. Just not feeling the NM State or Grand Canyon vibes unless they are basketball only members.

Valpo pairs up nicely with LUC for travel.

UNK and Wright are a pair as well plus get us more into the Cincy / Dayton area.

I know some scoff at the travel partner thing but it has to be a factor as most sports are nowhere near a profit so why throw endless dollars at travel.
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Postby Jsnhbe1Birds » April 16th, 2017, 9:21 am

UEACES80 wrote:Good stuff Ptown. I like the UNK and Wright State combo with Valpo. If needed go to Murray State and Belmont then my level three would be UALR and UTA. Just not feeling the NM State or Grand Canyon vibes unless they are basketball only members.

Valpo pairs up nicely with LUC for travel.

UNK and Wright are a pair as well plus get us more into the Cincy / Dayton area.

I know some scoff at the travel partner thing but it has to be a factor as most sports are nowhere near a profit so why throw endless dollars at travel.


Grand canyon and nmsu don't makes sense. If we're traveling 1,600 miles anyway we might as well travel 2-400 more to gonzaga, st. Mary's, and vcu (east). Hell at that point you could make it a 14 team league and add Dayton and St Louis until they go big east. That would easily be the 7th rated conference. Travel is an issue though. If it were that simple to add teams far away for the MVC it would already be done
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Re: Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

Postby ptownbraves » April 16th, 2017, 10:05 am

Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
UEACES80 wrote:Good stuff Ptown. I like the UNK and Wright State combo with Valpo. If needed go to Murray State and Belmont then my level three would be UALR and UTA. Just not feeling the NM State or Grand Canyon vibes unless they are basketball only members.

Valpo pairs up nicely with LUC for travel.

UNK and Wright are a pair as well plus get us more into the Cincy / Dayton area.

I know some scoff at the travel partner thing but it has to be a factor as most sports are nowhere near a profit so why throw endless dollars at travel.


Grand canyon and nmsu don't makes sense. If we're traveling 1,600 miles anyway we might as well travel 2-400 more to gonzaga, st. Mary's, and vcu (east). Hell at that point you could make it a 14 team league and add Dayton and St Louis until they go big east. That would easily be the 7th rated conference. Travel is an issue though. If it were that simple to add teams far away for the MVC it would already be done


I would be surprised if Grand Canyon or NMSU were serious options on the table. All the other schools you mentioned would be stepping down from their current situations to join the MVC. SLU had some recent layoffs and the MVC would make a lot of sense in reducing travel expenses, but they're not going to leave the A10 to join the MVC.
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Re: Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

Postby TheAsianSensation » April 16th, 2017, 10:27 am

If we're serious about basketball product, New Mexico State has to at least be on the table. Grand Canyon is a bit of a stupid idea, though.

The attendance thing just confirms to me that UMKC would be the dumbest decision on the board. A big market where they don't matter, bad basketball product, bad fan support. And remember they left the Summit for the WAC, right when the WAC was about to implode. They downgraded conferences. DOWNGRADED. We can't afford small-mindness in this conference.

Other than that, attendance isn't as big a factor as I think it might've been. Everyone is kind of clustered. Murray 3.3k, Valpo 3k, Oakland 2.9k, NKU 2.8k, UTA 2.8k, Belmont 2.4k. A few hundred fans in either direction won't change much. Omaha is a bit concerning at 1.8k though. Given they dropped football when they moved to D1, I'd be hoping they could make basketball support a bit stronger.
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Re: Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

Postby RacerJoeD » April 16th, 2017, 11:01 am

The MVC would be best served by avoiding the issues that CUSA has encountered.

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Re: Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

Postby Jsnhbe1Birds » April 16th, 2017, 11:18 am

ptownbraves wrote:
Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
UEACES80 wrote:Good stuff Ptown. I like the UNK and Wright State combo with Valpo. If needed go to Murray State and Belmont then my level three would be UALR and UTA. Just not feeling the NM State or Grand Canyon vibes unless they are basketball only members.

Valpo pairs up nicely with LUC for travel.

UNK and Wright are a pair as well plus get us more into the Cincy / Dayton area.

I know some scoff at the travel partner thing but it has to be a factor as most sports are nowhere near a profit so why throw endless dollars at travel.


Grand canyon and nmsu don't makes sense. If we're traveling 1,600 miles anyway we might as well travel 2-400 more to gonzaga, st. Mary's, and vcu (east). Hell at that point you could make it a 14 team league and add Dayton and St Louis until they go big east. That would easily be the 7th rated conference. Travel is an issue though. If it were that simple to add teams far away for the MVC it would already be done


I would be surprised if Grand Canyon or NMSU were serious options on the table. All the other schools you mentioned would be stepping down from their current situations to join the MVC. SLU had some recent layoffs and the MVC would make a lot of sense in reducing travel expenses, but they're not going to leave the A10 to join the MVC.



I was being facetious. However, hypothetically, if you add all those school it would be better than any of their situations.
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Re: Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

Postby ptownbraves » April 16th, 2017, 11:20 am

TheAsianSensation wrote:If we're serious about basketball product, New Mexico State has to at least be on the table. Grand Canyon is a bit of a stupid idea, though.

The attendance thing just confirms to me that UMKC would be the dumbest decision on the board. A big market where they don't matter, bad basketball product, bad fan support. And remember they left the Summit for the WAC, right when the WAC was about to implode. They downgraded conferences. DOWNGRADED. We can't afford small-mindness in this conference.

Other than that, attendance isn't as big a factor as I think it might've been. Everyone is kind of clustered. Murray 3.3k, Valpo 3k, Oakland 2.9k, NKU 2.8k, UTA 2.8k, Belmont 2.4k. A few hundred fans in either direction won't change much. Omaha is a bit concerning at 1.8k though. Given they dropped football when they moved to D1, I'd be hoping they could make basketball support a bit stronger.


A New Mexico State addition would be a bold move. I think the added travel expenses would be a hard sell to the schools, but you're right that it would signal the MVC is serious about their commitment to basketball.

I'm also not crazy about UMKC. It seems like a small, vocal group is pushing hard for it to happen but I have concerns about the long-term direction of the conference when we start adding branch schools from bigger university systems.
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Postby Svoboda » April 16th, 2017, 4:02 pm

BEARZ77 wrote:I had earlier; would make sense and give MSU at least someone in the west to pair with in women's sports as a travel partner. Decent enough program and a new market to add.
I'm hearing they are in the 2nd tier. Was told Belmont was asked and declined again. Then focus moved on to Valpo and Murray State. Then UT-Arlington and a group of a couple other schools would be considered. Just what I'm hearing from a couple different sources.
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Re: Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

Postby Drakey » April 16th, 2017, 5:22 pm

If we are only looking at one school. and it's not Valpo or Belmont, i would forget it and go with 9. To pick up some games, maybe we could have a preseason conference tournament like the Big 8 used to do.
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Re: Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

Postby squirrel » April 17th, 2017, 7:33 am

municup14 wrote:I'm sure travel distance will be a major factor.Remember,this is for
All sports,not just basketball.


This would be a valid argument if, with the lone exception of Evansville, the conference's non-profits didn't already routinely play national schedules, which typically include not just 1, but often times 2, 3 or more trips to either coast and really any point in between.

I get that a league should make some geographic sense, but it is incredibly foolish to sacrifice the best possible adds to placate one league member afraid to spend.
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Re: Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

Postby RacerJoeD » April 17th, 2017, 7:55 am

My question is this. What is the best possible add? Is it best basketball program? Best market? What is it the MVC wants in their next brethren?
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Re: Sounds like Wichita St to the AAC... Who gets an Invite?

Postby mvfcfan » April 17th, 2017, 8:54 am

At this point I think Murray State and Valparaiso should both get invites. Both are in good location to be Valley schools and both are usually pretty decent basketball schools. They both also have baseball and baseball by far is the second most important sport that the conference sponsors. With us losing Wichita we'll be down to 7 teams in baseball. (Note that the MVFC is a different conference, but Murray State could also be added to the MVFC for football.)

I'm not really concerned with these two schools other sports. Women's sports, golf, swimming, etc, shouldn't matter. We should be inviting schools based off of men's basketball (and slightly baseball) and that's it. I would be very happy with Murray State and Valpo becoming full members of the Missouri Valley Conference.

My Top Choices as of right now.
#1= Murray State and Valparaiso- Both should get an invite ASAP. As I mentioned above both fit great geographically and both seem fairly committed to having good basketball teams.

#2= North Dakota State and South Dakota State- Only in favor of adding these two if we can't get Murray State and/or Valparaiso. If we can only get one or the other (between Valpo and Murray State) then I'm uncertain as to whether or not we should go ahead and invite the XDSU's. I'm only in favor of adding them if they come together. Adding just NDSU or SDSU would be a bad move imo. Their football is great and their basketball is fairly good. My only concern with these schools is distance.

#3= New Mexico State- Distance is definitely a huge concern for me on NM State and unless we can't get any of the four schools mentioned above we should not invite the Aggies. They seem like a better fit for the Mountain West Conference and quite frankly with them having FBS Football I think they would jump at the MWC first chance they got. Their basketball is pretty good, but I don't see them sticking around especially since they would be so isolated from the rest of the conference.

#4= Others- Besides those 5 schools no one else in my opinion is worth inviting. St Louis would be a good add, but like many others have mentioned I seriously doubt they would leave the Atlantic 10. Belmont supposedly said no again, so that is why they aren't included on my list. Extension campuses (Omaha, UMKC, UALR, SIUE, UIC, UTA, UW-Mil, UW-GB, etc) should not be considered. Grand Canyon is just way too far out, even NM State is a stretch. Really if we can't get any of the top 4 schools or 5 schools I mentioned (add in St Louis and Belmont) I'd much rather just stay at 9 teams for a while. I don't think we should settle this time around. When we added Loyola it felt like we settled (no offense to Loyola). I would much rather wait until the conference improves so that we'll actually be a more attractive conference for future expansion. Who knows in a few years we could be more attractive than the A10 and then we get St Louis. Adding UMKC or Omaha just makes our conference worse and less attractive to legit teams. Just remember that almost every school in our conference has the potential to be really good again. I think almost everyone in our conference at some point has made noise in the NCAA tournament. Wichita and Creighton were good, but they weren't the whole conference. I think that is important to remember.
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