TheAsianSensation wrote:This is shades of the Big East breakup with 8 basketball schools and 8 football schools.
Basketball runs the place, and if the MVCF has to absorb Murray St...that's not exactly a choice for the football guys. If they want, the Summit can go start their own football, with blackjack and hookers.
But of course...then Murray St wouldn't have a home for the football team if they move to the MVC.
I think the talk between the MVC and MVCF needs to happen, if it hasn't already. Both need to lay out their long-term plans, so that the MVC can change the plans of the MVCF since this is a basketball-first conference.
Summit can't start football - they don't have 6 football members for an AQ - UND, USD, SDSU, NDSU, WIU. That's only 5.
Murray State would join the MVC/MVFC which would still be fine - UNI, SIU, ISUr, ISUb, YSU, MoSU and MuSU. YSU isn't going to go with the Dakota's and WIU. 7 isn't an ideal number for a conference when it comes to scheduling - especially with FBS games getting harder to get in the upper midwest, but it can be done. YSU would actually love to dump the Dakota's. The distance between them is, well, astonishing. Straight line Youngstown is closer to Orlando FL, Tampa FL, Monroe AR, Tulsa OK, Manhattan KS, Matane New Brunswick Canada, Liverpool Nova Scotia Cananda, and the site where the Titanic sank isn't significantly further into that Atlantic than it is Fargo and Grand Forks. YSU was also in the league with the exact same schools (minus Murray State) pre Dakota's. Hell, the Pioneer League - where Drake and Valpo play (and a potential home for Murray State if they don't want to support MVFC football) is kind of on shakey ground. The PFL stretches from Jacksonville, FL to Des Moines, IA to San Diego, CA. The schools in the Southeast are starting to really get pushed for membership by the Big South, who is down to 6 members. Now the the PFL is a playoff conference the "non-scholarship" thing is becoming a problem. They want to be competitive, so almost all are skirting the rules and it's caused their champion to be held out of the playoffs in 3 of their 4 years in as a playoff league due to breaking scholarship rules. I've long wanted Drake in the MVC. Landing Murray State and then letting Drake and Valpo into the league as football members and supporting at whatever level they want would make it REAL easy to let the Dakota's do their own thing if they want to try. We'd have 9 members. That creates a true round robin 8 game conference schedule with 3 OOC games to fill. A perfect schedule.
The Summit's only hope for a football league would be convincing at least Northern Cololardo, Southern Utah and Weber State to leave the Big Sky for their new league. Big Sky is so big they likely don't let them leave as football only affiliates of the Big Sky. They drop them all together.
Want to know what that new basketball league looks like? It's a minimum of a 13 team league if no one leaves to get enough football members. 6 is minimum for an autobid, but filling 5 or 6 OOC games will kill a conference real quick. Here's the new league foot print. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1I2VnO ... sp=sharing
You'd likely see a mass exit of the Indiana schools trying to get into the Horizon/OVC. At that point, if Belmont/Valpo wanted to stay where they are their one bid league shares just got smaller from splitting the pot more ways.
Oh, why couldn't the MVFC just hand control over to the Summit and the league stays the same? Doesn't fix the problems the MVC/MVFC/Summit are facing right now. Just shifts power from the MVFC to the Summit - which would hurt MVC members even more as the conference office now doesn't have to consider the MVC (unlike being a "subsidiary" of the MVC like now).
Oh, and there's the fact the NCAA likely isn't going to just go "Oh, you want to start a new conference? Perfect. We've always wanted more conferences to have to look after and maintain.". Also, the Summit is dangerously close to the conference membership stability requirements. Adding 3 new schools and potentially losing the Indiana schools would likely push the NCAAs buttons pretty hard
I think most/all of us on this site - or Valley Talk back in the day - saw what was happening with the Big East, and then what happened with the Big East, and knew the day was coming for us but hoped the league would do something to ensure that it didn't. Well, the league didn't do anything. The "best" move right now is for the MVC to absorb the MVFC. Make it a conference sponsored sport. It protects the current MVFC/MVC schools. Make a promise to YSU that they will always have a home as an affiliate member. That keeps the league at 7 if the Summit wants to do their own thing at some point. The ensured safety of the football schools is what is needed. Once that is ensured the mission of the MVC can be made as a basketball run league that sponsors football at the FCS level. If the Summit teams don't like it then they can form their 3 time zone monster league and try to attain a bid or they can deal with the fact they have a stable home for football.