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Re: MVC Basketball Budgets

Postby Cdizzle » March 27th, 2017, 12:09 pm

BradleyFan71 wrote:
PurpleAcesFootball wrote:Bradley - Geno Ford $706,655 + $26,243

What a complete waste!

I understand being upset about this. I also think it's why there is hope for Bradley to be good at basketball again.

Bradley not winning more is part of the problem in the Valley. Bradley not trying more is not part of the problem in the Valley. IMO, the latter is more frustrating at several institutions in the league.
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Postby squirrel » March 27th, 2017, 1:16 pm

Cdizzle wrote:
BradleyFan71 wrote:
PurpleAcesFootball wrote:Bradley - Geno Ford $706,655 + $26,243

What a complete waste!

I understand being upset about this. I also think it's why there is hope for Bradley to be good at basketball again.

Bradley not winning more is part of the problem in the Valley. Bradley not trying more is not part of the problem in the Valley. IMO, the latter is more frustrating at several institutions in the league.


Actually it is. Despite 2 successful years, the Jim Les era was absolute garbage, and many couldn't separate the player from the coach, and actively defended the dumpster fire that the program became. In short, the school and the vast majority of the fan base lowered their standards. Once you do that, it's hard to get it back.

Bradley has given a half-ass effort for most of this century and it's reaping what it sows.
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Re: MVC Basketball Budgets

Postby Wufan » March 27th, 2017, 5:49 pm

squirrel wrote:Actually it is. Despite 2 successful years, the Jim Les era was absolute garbage, and many couldn't separate the player from the coach, and actively defended the dumpster fire that the program became. In short, the school and the vast majority of the fan base lowered their standards. Once you do that, it's hard to get it back.

Bradley has given a half-ass effort for most of this century and it's reaping what it sows.


But...Les had a wildly successful string of recruiting which ultimately lead to a Sweet 16 and four straight 20 win seasons. Following the 20 win seasons the train fell off the tracks.
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Re: MVC Basketball Budgets

Postby BradleyFan71 » March 27th, 2017, 6:03 pm

Wufan wrote:
squirrel wrote:Actually it is. Despite 2 successful years, the Jim Les era was absolute garbage, and many couldn't separate the player from the coach, and actively defended the dumpster fire that the program became. In short, the school and the vast majority of the fan base lowered their standards. Once you do that, it's hard to get it back.

Bradley has given a half-ass effort for most of this century and it's reaping what it sows.


But...Les had a wildly successful string of recruiting which ultimately lead to a Sweet 16 and four straight 20 win seasons. Following the 20 win seasons the train fell off the tracks.

You are obviously unaware that it was in fact an assistant coach who was responsible for that Sweet 16 team! ;)
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Re: MVC Basketball Budgets

Postby Wufan » March 27th, 2017, 6:21 pm

BradleyFan71 wrote:
Wufan wrote:
squirrel wrote:Actually it is. Despite 2 successful years, the Jim Les era was absolute garbage, and many couldn't separate the player from the coach, and actively defended the dumpster fire that the program became. In short, the school and the vast majority of the fan base lowered their standards. Once you do that, it's hard to get it back.

Bradley has given a half-ass effort for most of this century and it's reaping what it sows.


But...Les had a wildly successful string of recruiting which ultimately lead to a Sweet 16 and four straight 20 win seasons. Following the 20 win seasons the train fell off the tracks.

You are obviously unaware that it was in fact an assistant coach who was responsible for that Sweet 16 team! ;)


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Re: MVC Basketball Budgets

Postby TheAsianSensation » March 27th, 2017, 6:46 pm

Bradley's problem isn't for lack of resources, or lack of trying. It's just plain old failing.
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Re: MVC Basketball Budgets

Postby Svoboda » March 27th, 2017, 7:16 pm

LJSites wrote:Have a link to the source?


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Re: MVC Basketball Budgets

Postby Drakey » March 27th, 2017, 8:05 pm

Redhawk wrote:
Drakey wrote:Milwaukee, Valpo, Denver and Belmont should be pursued based on these numbers. Maybe Detroit too. After WSU leaves and the schools that think they are Football powerhouses take off, this would leave a better conference.


If you think Drake would be better off with a conference that includes the likes of Milwaukee, Valpo and Detroit why not simply join the Horizon League?


I only want the top 3, combined with the top one or two non-football playing schools from other midwest mid-majors, and whoever else want to hang around. There are enough basketball only mid-majors in the midwest to still make a good conference.
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Re: MVC Basketball Budgets

Postby Redhawk » March 28th, 2017, 6:41 am

Drakey wrote:
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Drakey wrote:Milwaukee, Valpo, Denver and Belmont should be pursued based on these numbers. Maybe Detroit too. After WSU leaves and the schools that think they are Football powerhouses take off, this would leave a better conference.


If you think Drake would be better off with a conference that includes the likes of Milwaukee, Valpo and Detroit why not simply join the Horizon League?


I only want the top 3, combined with the top one or two non-football playing schools from other midwest mid-majors, and whoever else want to hang around. There are enough basketball only mid-majors in the midwest to still make a good conference.


There is a real strong possibility that the MVC and MVFC factions will split up and you would have your choice of the non-football Midwest Mid-Majors.
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Re: MVC Basketball Budgets

Postby unipanther99 » March 28th, 2017, 8:12 am

Splitting isn't as easy as it sounds. One group would have to form a new conference. You aren't guaranteed an auto-bid when you do that. It took the Mountain West a couple of years and a compromise before they got an auto-bid to the NCAA tournament.
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Re: MVC Basketball Budgets

Postby LJSites » March 28th, 2017, 8:22 am

Svoboda wrote:
LJSites wrote:Have a link to the source?


http://www.sycamorepride.com/showthread ... ll-Budgets


Thank you! I've been looking all over for this. I'm curious to do some trending.
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Re: MVC Basketball Budgets

Postby Redhawk » March 28th, 2017, 9:00 am

unipanther99 wrote:Splitting isn't as easy as it sounds. One group would have to form a new conference. You aren't guaranteed an auto-bid when you do that. It took the Mountain West a couple of years and a compromise before they got an auto-bid to the NCAA tournament.


That is true and the auto-bid is a must have so that's why I foresee a major shuffling of the conferences
with the MVFC essentially partnering with the Summit League, the Valley absorbing the best available Privates to become a Midwest copy of the Big East and the Horizon collecting what's left.
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