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How does the MVC sell itself to expansion candidates?

Postby Pinkie » April 6th, 2017, 11:17 am

Honest question here: what are the primary selling points the Valley has at their disposal when trying to lure the best possible expansion candidates? Without WSU the league looks a lot like some of the other mid major leagues and convincing a quality school to leave behind established relationships and probably NCAA credits to join the MVC could be more difficult than some imagine.
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Re: How does the MVC sell itself to expansion candidates?

Postby tribecalledquest » April 6th, 2017, 11:28 am

Pinkie wrote:Honest question here: what are the primary selling points the Valley has at their disposal when trying to lure the best possible expansion candidates? Without WSU the league looks a lot like some of the other mid major leagues and convincing a quality school to leave behind established relationships and probably NCAA credits to join the MVC could be more difficult than some imagine.


Exactly. That's why selling it to a Belmont would be REALLY hard. Even Valpo for that matter. I think selling it to a team based on good basketball but better geographical fit or an OBVIOUS upgrade in all sports is what you sell.
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Re: How does the MVC sell itself to expansion candidates?

Postby unipanther99 » April 6th, 2017, 11:28 am

Pinkie wrote:Honest question here: what are the primary selling points the Valley has at their disposal when trying to lure the best possible expansion candidates? Without WSU the league looks a lot like some of the other mid major leagues and convincing a quality school to leave behind established relationships and probably NCAA credits to join the MVC could be more difficult than some imagine.


The selling point for the MVC is the opportunity for an at-large bid if you have an excellent season and don't win your conference tournament. By no stretch guaranteed, but the possibility at least exists. Not so much in lower conferences.
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Re: How does the MVC sell itself to expansion candidates?

Postby Cdizzle » April 6th, 2017, 11:30 am

unipanther99 wrote:
Pinkie wrote:Honest question here: what are the primary selling points the Valley has at their disposal when trying to lure the best possible expansion candidates? Without WSU the league looks a lot like some of the other mid major leagues and convincing a quality school to leave behind established relationships and probably NCAA credits to join the MVC could be more difficult than some imagine.


The selling point for the MVC is the opportunity for an at-large bid if you have an excellent season and don't win your conference tournament. By no stretch guaranteed, but the possibility at least exists. Not so much in lower conferences.

If you need 30+ wins to be an at-large team in the MVC, is that really different than in the Horizon, et. al?
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Re: How does the MVC sell itself to expansion candidates?

Postby Stickboy46 » April 6th, 2017, 11:32 am

unipanther99 wrote:
Pinkie wrote:Honest question here: what are the primary selling points the Valley has at their disposal when trying to lure the best possible expansion candidates? Without WSU the league looks a lot like some of the other mid major leagues and convincing a quality school to leave behind established relationships and probably NCAA credits to join the MVC could be more difficult than some imagine.


The selling point for the MVC is the opportunity for an at-large bid if you have an excellent season and don't win your conference tournament. By no stretch guaranteed, but the possibility at least exists. Not so much in lower conferences.


17-1 with a win over WSU and only loss to WSU is what ISU just did .. Wasn't enough. Take WSU out? ummm not sure how you are getting an at-large that you couldn't get in any other conference (non-conf schedule only)
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Re: How does the MVC sell itself to expansion candidates?

Postby BirdsEyeView » April 6th, 2017, 11:35 am

Cdizzle wrote:If you need 30+ wins to be an at-large team in the MVC, is that really different than in the Horizon, et. al?


Everyone needs to get better. I think they will.
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Re: How does the MVC sell itself to expansion candidates?

Postby Cdizzle » April 6th, 2017, 11:38 am

BirdsEyeView wrote:
Cdizzle wrote:If you need 30+ wins to be an at-large team in the MVC, is that really different than in the Horizon, et. al?


Everyone needs to get better. I think they will.

Why now? Suddenly, after 10 years of decay and losing most of the available in-conference opportunities to gain resume wins, everyone will wake up tomorrow and say "hey, I know, lets go get better!"?
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Re: How does the MVC sell itself to expansion candidates?

Postby WSpringsBird » April 6th, 2017, 11:42 am

Well, there's the Animal House approach to selling new members on the conference: The MVC has a long tradition of existence, both to its members and the community at large.

Or we could point out how many MVC teams tend to graduate to better conferences.

I honestly don't see why a Belmont would move to the MVC, though I hope I am wrong about that.
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Re: How does the MVC sell itself to expansion candidates?

Postby BirdsEyeView » April 6th, 2017, 11:52 am

Cdizzle wrote:
BirdsEyeView wrote:
Cdizzle wrote:If you need 30+ wins to be an at-large team in the MVC, is that really different than in the Horizon, et. al?


Everyone needs to get better. I think they will.

Why now? Suddenly, after 10 years of decay and losing most of the available in-conference opportunities to gain resume wins, everyone will wake up tomorrow and say "hey, I know, lets go get better!"?


We went from a season two years ago where first and second team players were all Seniors. Last year, was a major transition season, simply based on the quality of players the conference lost.

Generally speaking, I hear you. But, you Shocker fans continue to act like the other schools don't want to get better....they do....they need to hire the right coach or avoid major transfers that killed their progress (Reggie Lynch, Marcus Marshall, Nic Moore, Jordan Caroline, Josh Cunningham). WSU hit a grand slam on their coach (2x) and now the fans act like they are the billy bad asses of the block. You did nothing, your AD/President did. It's not a magic formula.

Everyone will get better. I guarantee you that.
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Re: How does the MVC sell itself to expansion candidates?

Postby arkstfan » April 6th, 2017, 11:55 am

It is really simple.

Know who you are.
Know who your target is.
Recognize what your target considers your flaws to be.
Try to understand what your target wants.
Sell what you offer to help your target attain what they want.

You can't one size a pitch unless all your targets are identical.

If you were targeting Little Rock or Texas Arlington, you talk about how accessible the southern portion of the league is Little Rock in sports that can bus, you talk about air access for both. In both cases you talk about the security that the Valley offers because there is no risk that the membership votes to make FBS football a required sport.

If you are targeting Valparaiso it is academic compatibility with other private institutions and the league's ability to successfully manage an environment where publics and privates are cooperative, and talk travel and regional branding.

etc etc for the various schools.
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Re: How does the MVC sell itself to expansion candidates?

Postby Svoboda » April 6th, 2017, 11:56 am

BirdsEyeView wrote:
Cdizzle wrote:If you need 30+ wins to be an at-large team in the MVC, is that really different than in the Horizon, et. al?


Everyone needs to get better. I think they will.
Folks keep saying this but the fact of the matter is most of our schools are cash poor and already heavily subsidized from student fees or school funds. We've already seen article after article over the last couple months talking about how programs are being told they are losing state funding and they need to cut their athletics budgets.

So how does everyone get better when they'll likely have less to spend? If it comes from private donors, where have those donors been up to this point? Do you have any concrete examples on how Valley programs can get better?
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Re: How does the MVC sell itself to expansion candidates?

Postby BirdsEyeView » April 6th, 2017, 12:05 pm

Svoboda wrote:
BirdsEyeView wrote:
Cdizzle wrote:If you need 30+ wins to be an at-large team in the MVC, is that really different than in the Horizon, et. al?


Everyone needs to get better. I think they will.
Folks keep saying this but the fact of the matter is most of our schools are cash poor and already heavily subsidized from student fees or school funds. We've already seen article after article over the last couple months talking about how programs are being told they are losing state funding and they need to cut their athletics budgets.

So how does everyone get better when they'll likely have less to spend? If it comes from private donors, where have those donors been up to this point? Do you have any concrete examples on how Valley programs can get better?


Hire an under the radar low major coach. Have him build your program for 3-4 years with recruits. You don't think within 5 years that budget issues won't get fixed?

Take Bradley, I think they hired a good one. In a few years, I think they are back to contending in this conference. Now, let's say a Big 10 school hires him away....in 3-4 years. Don't you think the landscape of not only college basketball, but the financial issues in Illinois will be getting fixed by then??
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