MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team league

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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby tribecalledquest » April 20th, 2017, 10:40 am

goyotes wrote:
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goyotes wrote:See item # 4 on the attached Agenda for tomorrow's special meeting of the Murray State Board of Regents

http://www.murraystate.edu/Libraries/Board_of_Regents/MediaAnnouncement42117.pdf


Good stuff.

I trust you are a USD fan. Tell me why NDSU/SDSU would be better for the MVC than South Dakota. What am I missing other than just one very vocal NDSU fan on here?


I think all 4 Dakotas are best served by being in the same conference. With that being said, Vermillion is within a mile of the banks of the Missouri River.


I agree with you that all four Dakotas are smart to stay together. From a travel standpoint South Dakota makes the most sense of all of them and you have the new arena.
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Postby bbtds » April 20th, 2017, 11:40 am

I am a former Valpo resident with a relative that was formerly employed by Valpo U. I now live in Indianapolis. I also know some people (mostly lawyers from the Valpo law school) that work at the NCAA headquarters in Indy.

I believe the possible MVC member with the most potential for growth is Valpo. Over the years the Valpo board of directors has actually tried to curtail the expansion of the athletic dept by not funding any significant athletic building projects along the way. There are simply members of the Valpo board that see Valpo as a type of University of Chicago that should have dropped athletics (or at least dropped down to D-III) a long time ago. Despite that the basketball team has persevered through the trials with the Valpo board. First with Homer Drew not leaving as the head basketball coach to much larger majors and seeing his mission as bringing athletic success to Valpo. That led to his two sons Scott and Bryce becoming coaches and eventually moving to large schools that they have seen as their mission in life. Having success in athletics at christian schools where they can majorly influence the lives of many prominent college athletes. I believe that eventually Bryce and Scott decided against waiting for the Valpo board to change and moved up to have a greater influence.

I think if the MVC requires Valpo to make rather simple improvements to their athletic facilities Valpo's President Heckler can show the Valpo board that promotion of an outstanding faith based traditional Lutheran university can be had and further those christian and student development goals that the Valpo board has. Valpo has the largest collegiate chapel in the world and recently did a $15 million upgrade (extension, new HVAC system, upgrade to the stain glassed windows, etc.). The money came from a Pastor Helge and his pastor wife who met at Valpo's chapel as students and who were gifted by Pastor Helge's aunt who received bonuses as an executive of one of the large investment houses in New York that were "too big to fail" during the financial crisis of 2008. It was a way of cleansing ill gotten gains. The money is there but the board has to see athletics as a way to further the christian endeavors and student growth (both in numbers and level of maturity of citizenship) of Valpo students. Valpo believes in graduating students of character that greatly influence the world. Some older members of the Valpo board have died and as new members have come on I have seen slight changes in attitude in the board. I think Valpo's President Heckler should be required by the MVC to make financial commitments that in the end will have the Valpo board's mission extended through the character of their athletes. The potential is so huge!
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby ValpoTX » April 20th, 2017, 12:10 pm

Just for clarification on the RPI front (via ESPN):

Valpo last 5 years' average: 84
Valpo last 7 years' average: 85.14

Our RPI has been sub-100, except for 2013-2014, so there is not going to be a drop-off at Valpo

NDSU last 5 years' average: 91
NDSU last 7 years' average: 124.14

SDSU last 5 years' average: 96.8
SDSU last 7 years' average: 102.57

Murray State last 5 years' average: 144
Murray State last 7 years' average: 122.57

Keep in mind that Murray State plays in a really bad conference in regards to their competition's RPI ratings, as they typically have 6 or 7 300+ RPI teams each year.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby tribecalledquest » April 20th, 2017, 12:44 pm

ValpoTX wrote:Just for clarification on the RPI front (via ESPN):

Valpo last 5 years' average: 84
Valpo last 7 years' average: 85.14

Our RPI has been sub-100, except for 2013-2014, so there is not going to be a drop-off at Valpo

NDSU last 5 years' average: 91
NDSU last 7 years' average: 124.14

SDSU last 5 years' average: 96.8
SDSU last 7 years' average: 102.57

Murray State last 5 years' average: 144
Murray State last 7 years' average: 122.57

Keep in mind that Murray State plays in a really bad conference in regards to their competition's RPI ratings, as they typically have 6 or 7 300+ RPI teams each year.


Here is my personal concern with Valpo moving forward.

The Drew train has run its course. Last season was the first non-Drew season is how many years??

A once in a lifetime player just left the program. Alec Peters. He never played in an NCAA Tournament. Is the Valpo arrow trending the wrong direction?

I like Valpo and think they would be good in the MVC. But these are legit questions to ask.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby squirrel » April 20th, 2017, 1:00 pm

OTOH, if the current guy doesn't get it done, Murray can hire Mark Gottfried back and go on a run in the league.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby ValpoTX » April 20th, 2017, 1:07 pm

AP did get us to the tournament in his SO season, when we lost by 3 to Maryland, with the chance to tie at the buzzer (bogus no call on an obvious wrist slap by the defender). There will not be a drop-off at Valpo, regardless of not having a Drew. Recruits know that if they come to Valpo, that we are committed to winning games. You can see that by looking at the 14 regular season titles/9 NCAA bids and 20 winning record seasons in the last 22 years. It is a legitimate concern to wonder what may happen, but you can look at our recruits and see that we are still getting the same types of players who have contributed to this success, regardless of conference. We were winning lots of games before AP, and will continue to do so.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby TheAsianSensation » April 20th, 2017, 1:27 pm

I don't worry too much about Valpo's lack of quantity in NCAA tourney bids. The Horizon has kind of been a tire fire when it comes to conference tournaments as of late. I'm more happy that Valpo tried to schedule up last year when they knew they were the favorites, and tried to put themselves on the at-large map.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby TheAsianSensation » April 20th, 2017, 1:30 pm

Lakesbison wrote:^^^^ No one is gonna comment on this? why is the MVC afraid of NDSU?

We're not afraid of your basketball.

We're afraid of your football. Every member in this league is a basketball-first school. We just simply do not want a football-first school. It's really as simple as that. Your mission doesn't fit our mission.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby squirrel » April 20th, 2017, 1:36 pm

TheAsianSensation wrote:
We're afraid of your football. Every member in this league is a basketball-first school. We just simply do not want a football-first school. It's really as simple as that. Your mission doesn't fit our mission.


Boom. Also, there's a fine line between lobbying for membership and droning on and on and on about it.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby BirdsEyeView » April 20th, 2017, 1:43 pm

squirrel wrote:
TheAsianSensation wrote:
We're afraid of your football. Every member in this league is a basketball-first school. We just simply do not want a football-first school. It's really as simple as that. Your mission doesn't fit our mission.


Boom. Also, there's a fine line between lobbying for membership and droning on and on and on about it.


If he is lobbying for membership, he probably should be lobbying to the brass of the MVC, not message board posters.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby uniftw » April 20th, 2017, 1:46 pm

BirdsEyeView wrote:
squirrel wrote:
TheAsianSensation wrote:
We're afraid of your football. Every member in this league is a basketball-first school. We just simply do not want a football-first school. It's really as simple as that. Your mission doesn't fit our mission.


Boom. Also, there's a fine line between lobbying for membership and droning on and on and on about it.


If he is lobbying for membership, he probably should be lobbying to the brass of the MVC, not message board posters.

He's been banned by NDSU's athletic department. He is a cancer that NDSU distances itself from at every chance.

That's not a lie. That is straight from people very, very, well connected at NDSU that I know.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby Lakesbison » April 20th, 2017, 1:55 pm

uniftw wrote:
We're afraid of your football. Every member in this league is a basketball-first school. We just simply do not want a football-first school. It's really as simple as that. Your mission doesn't fit our mission.


Boom. Also, there's a fine line between lobbying for membership and droning on and on and on about it.[/quote]

If he is lobbying for membership, he probably should be lobbying to the brass of the MVC, not message board posters.[/quote]
He's been banned by NDSU's athletic department. He is a cancer that NDSU distances itself from at every chance.

That's not a lie. That is straight from people very, very, well connected at NDSU that I know.[/quote]

are you clinically insane?? I am not banned from anything, I played there, I graduated there, I am currently a booster. this type of slanderous BS is beyond ridiculous and I would hope a moderator will do something about it. I run BisoNation, I run NDSU football fans facebook page with 17,000 members. no 1 is distancing themselves

I have not attacked 1 person on this board, I have brought facts and information, its a shame that you cant cordially exchange messages on a board uniftw. seek help


ps- I get it , this what UNI did to NDSU before in football, and they don't want to see NDSU do the same in basketball. I understand. NDSU is big enough to be a Football & Basketball school, trust me.
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