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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

PostPosted: April 27th, 2017, 3:18 pm
by RacerJoeD
That's not a huge problem as we would probably be able to get some games with current OVC teams.

Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

PostPosted: April 27th, 2017, 4:11 pm
by Aargh
Going to 11 teams makes no sense, unless that 11th team can get an NCAA at-large bid. The MVC used to split the NCAA shares among 10 schools. The league gets $1.6 million for every game played in the tournament.

If the MVC is to be a one-bid league, that one bid is going to be a bad seed and it's likely to be just $1.6 million to split among the teams in the league. Splitting that 11 ways instead of 10, means less money for each school.

Scheduling is hard, and going to 11 teams and a 20-game league schedule means two less OOC games to schedule, but that doesn't really help the league. If the league were to stay at 9 teams, then the league schedule would be 16 games. That would mean two extra OOC games for each team. If those games would be road games for a payday, that would mean something like $160,000 - $200,000 extra for each school. A little breathing room in the athletic budgets at some of the Valley schools would be a good thing.

Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

PostPosted: April 27th, 2017, 5:11 pm
by TheAsianSensation
Aargh wrote:Going to 11 teams makes no sense, unless that 11th team can get an NCAA at-large bid. The MVC used to split the NCAA shares among 10 schools. The league gets $1.6 million for every game played in the tournament.

If the MVC is to be a one-bid league, that one bid is going to be a bad seed and it's likely to be just $1.6 million to split among the teams in the league. Splitting that 11 ways instead of 10, means less money for each school.

Scheduling is hard, and going to 11 teams and a 20-game league schedule means two less OOC games to schedule, but that doesn't really help the league. If the league were to stay at 9 teams, then the league schedule would be 16 games. That would mean two extra OOC games for each team. If those games would be road games for a payday, that would mean something like $160,000 - $200,000 extra for each school. A little breathing room in the athletic budgets at some of the Valley schools would be a good thing.

Splitting $1.6 million across 11 teams instead of 10 costs each school about $15,000.

Splitting $1.6 million across 9 teams instead of 10 adds about $18,000 to each school.

If we're making decisions based on that $33,000 swing, then the MVC offices should be fired into the sun.

And if the reaction to 2 extra OOC games is to take buy games for money, then the schools thinking that way need to be evicted from the league.

Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

PostPosted: April 27th, 2017, 8:10 pm
by Lakesbison
BCPanther wrote:Actual basketball question here---

What do Murray and Valpo have on their OOC schedules at this point for next year?



NDSU has #1 Arizona, #5 UCLA and Missouri State on OOC so far for 2017-2018 :Yea!:

Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

PostPosted: April 27th, 2017, 11:34 pm
by PantherU
Lakesbison wrote:
BCPanther wrote:Actual basketball question here---

What do Murray and Valpo have on their OOC schedules at this point for next year?



NDSU has #1 Arizona, #5 UCLA and Missouri State on OOC so far for 2017-2018 :Yea!:


These preseason polls are earlier and earlier...

Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

PostPosted: April 28th, 2017, 4:19 am
by mule
PantherU wrote:
Lakesbison wrote:
BCPanther wrote:Actual basketball question here---

What do Murray and Valpo have on their OOC schedules at this point for next year?



NDSU has #1 Arizona, #5 UCLA and Missouri State on OOC so far for 2017-2018 :Yea!:


These preseason polls are earlier and earlier...

The polling numbers are subject to change after the spring thaw.
:Cheers:

Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

PostPosted: April 28th, 2017, 6:32 am
by Redhawk
TheAsianSensation wrote:
Splitting $1.6 million across 11 teams instead of 10 costs each school about $15,000.

Splitting $1.6 million across 9 teams instead of 10 adds about $18,000 to each school.

If we're making decisions based on that $33,000 swing, then the MVC offices should be fired into the sun.

And if the reaction to 2 extra OOC games is to take buy games for money, then the schools thinking that way need to be evicted from the league.


:+1: Decision shouldn't be about splitting shares but rather winning more shares!

Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

PostPosted: April 28th, 2017, 6:32 am
by Lakesbison
the poll wasnt scientific :Bam:

Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

PostPosted: April 28th, 2017, 9:05 am
by uniftw
Redhawk wrote:
TheAsianSensation wrote:
Splitting $1.6 million across 11 teams instead of 10 costs each school about $15,000.

Splitting $1.6 million across 9 teams instead of 10 adds about $18,000 to each school.

If we're making decisions based on that $33,000 swing, then the MVC offices should be fired into the sun.

And if the reaction to 2 extra OOC games is to take buy games for money, then the schools thinking that way need to be evicted from the league.


:+1: Decision shouldn't be about splitting shares but rather winning more shares!

Bingo.

The move to 11 or 12 is driving by generating a league that produces more shares. Not splits 1 teams shares from 1 game. The growing to 11 or 12 is based on creating a conference that gets 2 or 3 teams into the first round with at least 1 or 2 of them winning a game or two or three.

Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

PostPosted: April 28th, 2017, 9:40 am
by MidWestMidMajor
This post showed up on csnbbs:

"Take it for what its worth. Panther insider says the MVC is going to 12. At least that is what they told the people at UWM. Valpo is a lock. Going into the process, the other three being considered, in order, were Murray State, Omaha and Milwaukee. No one else is being considered. Murray State cemented its position after the tour. Evidently, Omaha's tour didn't go well. It his belief that the MVC's opinion of Milwaukee was very positive after the tour. He thinks Milwaukee has passed up Omaha in the pecking order. Besides the media market, one reason Milwaukee is getting strong consideration is because the city produces a high number of mid-major players, who are recruiting targets for Valley schools."

It's just a guy quoting another guy about some gossip that supposedly leaked out from the MVC's visit to UW-Milw.

Maybe it's just smoke. Maybe there is some fire to it.