How to improve the MVC?

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Re: How to improve the MVC?

Postby WSpringsBird » April 15th, 2017, 7:23 am

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Play Angry wrote:You don't get any long term by taking a bunch of buy games to get your ass beat on the road. This is really stupid.

If the goal is to become the SWAC, I can't think of a much faster path.


I heard Muller make a similar point. In response to a question from Chicago-area radio announcers, he said that historically, there have been literally zero D-1 teams that have taken a bunch of buy games and made the tournament as an at-large. So, although there is a first time for everything, I suppose, this seems like a pretty bad way to attempt to improve a team's at-large chances.
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Re: How to improve the MVC?

Postby Drakey » April 15th, 2017, 11:05 am

Are any teams going to be worse than they were last season? It seems to me that everybody should be better or about the same. If the bottom feeder RPI teams from last season can at least be respectable, I think the conference RPI may very well go up. Add a decent team or two and the valley could very well finish in the top ten.
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Re: How to improve the MVC?

Postby BCPanther » April 15th, 2017, 3:40 pm

Drakey wrote:Are any teams going to be worse than they were last season? It seems to me that everybody should be better or about the same. If the bottom feeder RPI teams from last season can at least be respectable, I think the conference RPI may very well go up. Add a decent team or two and the valley could very well finish in the top ten.


Illinois State and SIU both take steps back. MSU, UNI, Drake, Bradley should be much better than they were. Everybody else about the same.

Probably a net RPI gain next year,..
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Re: How to improve the MVC?

Postby Jsnhbe1Birds » April 15th, 2017, 3:47 pm

BCPanther wrote:
Drakey wrote:Are any teams going to be worse than they were last season? It seems to me that everybody should be better or about the same. If the bottom feeder RPI teams from last season can at least be respectable, I think the conference RPI may very well go up. Add a decent team or two and the valley could very well finish in the top ten.


Illinois State and SIU both take steps back. MSU, UNI, Drake, Bradley should be much better than they were. Everybody else about the same.

Probably a net RPI gain next year,..



Great, the MVC will be 11th instead of 12th. Not getting them.anywhere. They need to get to 7th
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Re: How to improve the MVC?

Postby Phi13 » April 15th, 2017, 4:39 pm

Getting to 7th will be very hard, given that Wichita State left for the clear-cut seventh-best conference. Eighth could be possible, though.
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Re: How to improve the MVC?

Postby Jsnhbe1Birds » April 15th, 2017, 5:01 pm

Phi13 wrote:Getting to 7th will be very hard, given that Wichita State left for the clear-cut seventh-best conference. Eighth could be possible, though.


I didn't mean in one season. I meant they need to be the yearly 6th or 7th. 8th on a down year.
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Re: How to improve the MVC?

Postby Stickboy46 » April 15th, 2017, 8:25 pm

Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
Phi13 wrote:Getting to 7th will be very hard, given that Wichita State left for the clear-cut seventh-best conference. Eighth could be possible, though.


I didn't mean in one season. I meant they need to be the yearly 6th or 7th. 8th on a down year.

I can't see in any year that the MVC is capable of being better than any P5, the Big East or the American. The top 7 are pretty set now. A10 and MWC are probably your 8 and 9, MVC at 10 would be an accomplishment going forward
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Re: How to improve the MVC?

Postby Jsnhbe1Birds » April 15th, 2017, 8:50 pm

Stickboy46 wrote:
Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
Phi13 wrote:Getting to 7th will be very hard, given that Wichita State left for the clear-cut seventh-best conference. Eighth could be possible, though.


I didn't mean in one season. I meant they need to be the yearly 6th or 7th. 8th on a down year.

I can't see in any year that the MVC is capable of being better than any P5, the Big East or the American. The top 7 are pretty set now. A10 and MWC are probably your 8 and 9, MVC at 10 would be an accomplishment going forward




Without changes, sure. Small minded. Stop thinking like title brother or you'll stay little brother.
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Re: How to improve the MVC?

Postby uniftw » April 15th, 2017, 9:01 pm

Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:


Without changes, sure. Small minded. Stop thinking like title brother or you'll stay little brother.

You clearly don't understand dick about how any of this works. Your ideas are horrid. The MVCwasnt consistently top 7 when we were getting 4 teams in. No f****** way it happens now.

You want to know who whites themselves out to all the P5s they could? Savannah State. Guess where they are. Moving down to D2
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Re: How to improve the MVC?

Postby Stickboy46 » April 15th, 2017, 9:09 pm

Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
Stickboy46 wrote:
Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:I didn't mean in one season. I meant they need to be the yearly 6th or 7th. 8th on a down year.

I can't see in any year that the MVC is capable of being better than any P5, the Big East or the American. The top 7 are pretty set now. A10 and MWC are probably your 8 and 9, MVC at 10 would be an accomplishment going forward




Without changes, sure. Small minded. Stop thinking like title brother or you'll stay little brother.

I've yet to see what changes the MVC can make that will allow them to compete with P5+BE+American.
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Re: How to improve the MVC?

Postby BCPanther » April 15th, 2017, 10:43 pm

Our best years can compete with the Mountain West, but the A10 and AAC have locked themselves into the 7/8 spots. No shot at anything above 9th going forward.

We just need to have the perspective that that still makes us a very good league...
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Re: How to improve the MVC?

Postby Jsnhbe1Birds » April 16th, 2017, 4:28 am

uniftw wrote:
Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:


Without changes, sure. Small minded. Stop thinking like title brother or you'll stay little brother.

You clearly don't understand dick about how any of this works. Your ideas are horrid. The MVCwasnt consistently top 7 when we were getting 4 teams in. No f****** way it happens now.

You want to know who whites themselves out to all the P5s they could? Savannah State. Guess where they are. Moving down to D2



And, you're clearly stuck with stepchild syndrom. If the A-10 can do it with Duquense and La Salle the MVC can do it with Evansville and Stayed. Wake up! The MVC was behind the colonial this season. Without WSU they're going to fall even further down the ladder. And, even if they don't 12th isn't good enough.
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