If they want 12 but only sure on 11?

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Re: If they want 12 but only sure on 11?

Postby Drakey » April 18th, 2017, 8:18 am

What are the negatives on Milwaukee? They seem to be committed to success. Good location. Attendance I think has been decent when they are good.
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Re: If they want 12 but only sure on 11?

Postby Redhawk » April 18th, 2017, 8:24 am

Drakey wrote:What are the negatives on Milwaukee? They seem to be committed to success. Good location. Attendance I think has been decent when they are good.


Agree Drakey. Would definitely look at Milwaukee and/or Wright State before considering UMKC.
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Re: If they want 12 but only sure on 11?

Postby uniftw » April 18th, 2017, 8:47 am

Redhawk wrote:
Drakey wrote:What are the negatives on Milwaukee? They seem to be committed to success. Good location. Attendance I think has been decent when they are good.


Agree Drakey. Would definitely look at Milwaukee and/or Wright State before considering UMKC.

UMKC should never be considered - which means they get an invite.

UW-M isn't terrible, I just can't get a feel that they will ever be consistently competitive. Their records were great starting with the turn of the century. Bo Ryan was there to start the whole thing in 1999, then Bruce Pearl Took over from 01-05. Rob Jeter, who was a hot name in about 2013, stuck around a year or two too long and went from THE hot name to leaving UWM for an assistant job at UNLV. Lavall Jordan's tenure is off to a rocky start

11-24 - Jordan RPI 258
20-13 - Jeter RPI 173
14-16 RPI 207
21-14 - NCAA tournament 0-1 RPI 135
8-24 RPI 307
20-14 RPI 124
19-14 RPI 92
20-14 RPI 130
17-14 RPI 134
16-16 RPI 180
9-22 RPI 241
22-9 - NCAA tournament 1-1 RPI 52
26-6 - S16 - BRUCE PEARL RPI 20
20-11 RPI 73
24-8 - NCAA tournament 0-1 (NO RPI NUMBERS THIS FAR BACK)
16-13
15-13 - BO RYAN
15-14

Now, to show what kind of path Bo started, and Bruce continued, UWM had 5 consecutive single digit win seasons before Bo started.

They've been very up and down, but the highs haven't been real high in quite a while. Since Pearl left they have just 2 top 100 RPI seasons, and one of them was the first year after Pearl left. They have as many 300+ RPI seasons as top 100s since then.

They are fighting for attention in Milwaukee, just a 2 minute walk from away from Marquette's arena and in a state that is 95% Badger and 4.9% Marquette. Seriously, Google the arenas. They are right across State St from each other off the Milwaukee River.

I don't hate the idea of UWM, but I'm not even in like with them at this moment.
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Re: If they want 12 but only sure on 11?

Postby Redbirds4Life » April 18th, 2017, 9:05 am

You know, at some point, you would think that the MVC needs to add someone....kind of feel like no noise, might not be good. They aren't going to replace Wichita State, it is just not going to happen. There isn't a program that good out there that you could get. My two-cents, I would add the 3 best possible teams that I could right now. Creighton left....Wichita State left.....who is next? If you just add one, you will be in the same spot in 5 years when the next team bails.

I have heard/read that Doug Elgin considers himself and the league to be "proactive," well you need to be really proactive right now. If this goes more south than it already has, Doug Elgin needs to turn in his resignation.
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Re: If they want 12 but only sure on 11?

Postby ACECARD » April 18th, 2017, 9:12 am

Redbirds4Life wrote:You know, at some point, you would think that the MVC needs to add someone....kind of feel like no noise, might not be good. They aren't going to replace Wichita State, it is just not going to happen. There isn't a program that good out there that you could get. My two-cents, I would add the 3 best possible teams that I could right now. Creighton left....Wichita State left.....who is next? If you just add one, you will be in the same spot in 5 years when the next team bails.

I have heard/read that Doug Elgin considers himself and the league to be "proactive," well you need to be really proactive right now. If this goes more south than it already has, Doug Elgin needs to turn in his resignation.

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Re: If they want 12 but only sure on 11?

Postby uniftw » April 18th, 2017, 9:16 am

Redbirds4Life wrote:You know, at some point, you would think that the MVC needs to add someone....kind of feel like no noise, might not be good. They aren't going to replace Wichita State, it is just not going to happen. There isn't a program that good out there that you could get. My two-cents, I would add the 3 best possible teams that I could right now. Creighton left....Wichita State left.....who is next? If you just add one, you will be in the same spot in 5 years when the next team bails.

I have heard/read that Doug Elgin considers himself and the league to be "proactive," well you need to be really proactive right now. If this goes more south than it already has, Doug Elgin needs to turn in his resignation.

Imagine if the rumors that a WSU fan put in another thread of another current MVC member looking to bail are true. No idea who it is, but would it shock anyone to learn that one of UNI, ISUr, MSU or ISUb is exploring some kind of option?

- MSU is in a strange financial place and is now a GIGANTIC geographic outlier.

- ISUb is much better served in the OVC in terms of budget and competitiveness in both FB and MBB

- Neither UNI or ISUr is in a position to make any kind of move to anywhere that would be smart, but would it shock anyone to find out options are being actively explored?

Indiana State would be the interesting one. Let's pretend Murray State and Valpo are the adds. Valpo becomes the "replacement" for WSU - which there isn't one but it's the "best phrase" to use right now. What if the other piece we are waiting on is ISUb, MuSU, the OVC, MVC and MVFC to finalize a negotiation for what would ammount to a trade of the two. It'd stay a 10 team league. Could just insert Murray State into Indiana State's slot on the football schedule and then figure new travel partners out for other sports.
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Re: If they want 12 but only sure on 11?

Postby BCPanther » April 18th, 2017, 9:17 am

Redbirds4Life wrote:You know, at some point, you would think that the MVC needs to add someone....kind of feel like no noise, might not be good. They aren't going to replace Wichita State, it is just not going to happen. There isn't a program that good out there that you could get. My two-cents, I would add the 3 best possible teams that I could right now. Creighton left....Wichita State left.....who is next? If you just add one, you will be in the same spot in 5 years when the next team bails.

I have heard/read that Doug Elgin considers himself and the league to be "proactive," well you need to be really proactive right now. If this goes more south than it already has, Doug Elgin needs to turn in his resignation.


Doug Elgin works for the University Presidents. He can't do a damn thing without their go ahead...
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Re: If they want 12 but only sure on 11?

Postby uniftw » April 18th, 2017, 9:35 am

BCPanther wrote:
Redbirds4Life wrote:You know, at some point, you would think that the MVC needs to add someone....kind of feel like no noise, might not be good. They aren't going to replace Wichita State, it is just not going to happen. There isn't a program that good out there that you could get. My two-cents, I would add the 3 best possible teams that I could right now. Creighton left....Wichita State left.....who is next? If you just add one, you will be in the same spot in 5 years when the next team bails.

I have heard/read that Doug Elgin considers himself and the league to be "proactive," well you need to be really proactive right now. If this goes more south than it already has, Doug Elgin needs to turn in his resignation.


Doug Elgin works for the University Presidents. He can't do a damn thing without their go ahead...

Elgin does get a lot of blame that he may not deserve.

It's why a school like Loyola gets added. The privates wouldn't vote for a bigger public school with football. Thus the public/football schools have no choice but to go along with Loyola, UIC, UMKC,etc...
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Re: If they want 12 but only sure on 11?

Postby SMUfan » April 18th, 2017, 9:44 am

Someone give me the pros and cons on Oakland.
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Re: If they want 12 but only sure on 11?

Postby tribecalledquest » April 18th, 2017, 9:45 am

uniftw wrote:
Redhawk wrote:
Drakey wrote:What are the negatives on Milwaukee? They seem to be committed to success. Good location. Attendance I think has been decent when they are good.


Agree Drakey. Would definitely look at Milwaukee and/or Wright State before considering UMKC.

UMKC should never be considered - which means they get an invite.

UW-M isn't terrible, I just can't get a feel that they will ever be consistently competitive. Their records were great starting with the turn of the century. Bo Ryan was there to start the whole thing in 1999, then Bruce Pearl Took over from 01-05. Rob Jeter, who was a hot name in about 2013, stuck around a year or two too long and went from THE hot name to leaving UWM for an assistant job at UNLV. Lavall Jordan's tenure is off to a rocky start

11-24 - Jordan RPI 258
20-13 - Jeter RPI 173
14-16 RPI 207
21-14 - NCAA tournament 0-1 RPI 135
8-24 RPI 307
20-14 RPI 124
19-14 RPI 92
20-14 RPI 130
17-14 RPI 134
16-16 RPI 180
9-22 RPI 241
22-9 - NCAA tournament 1-1 RPI 52
26-6 - S16 - BRUCE PEARL RPI 20
20-11 RPI 73
24-8 - NCAA tournament 0-1 (NO RPI NUMBERS THIS FAR BACK)
16-13
15-13 - BO RYAN
15-14

Now, to show what kind of path Bo started, and Bruce continued, UWM had 5 consecutive single digit win seasons before Bo started.

They've been very up and down, but the highs haven't been real high in quite a while. Since Pearl left they have just 2 top 100 RPI seasons, and one of them was the first year after Pearl left. They have as many 300+ RPI seasons as top 100s since then.

They are fighting for attention in Milwaukee, just a 2 minute walk from away from Marquette's arena and in a state that is 95% Badger and 4.9% Marquette. Seriously, Google the arenas. They are right across State St from each other off the Milwaukee River.

I don't hate the idea of UWM, but I'm not even in like with them at this moment.


Actually Lavall Jordan's tenure is off to a nice start. He had some pretty good young players last year and has done a very good job recruiting. UWM will be a contender in the Horizon League soon.

I love their arena---the US Cellular Arena--formerly the Mecca. Fantastic place to watch a game.
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Re: If they want 12 but only sure on 11?

Postby MissouriValleyUnite » April 18th, 2017, 10:51 am

The more I think about it, the best play is to stick at 11 with Murray/Valpo. Then wait for MSU to get that SB FBS invite and add NDSU/SDSU as 11/12.

There is just such a huge dropoff after Murray/Valpo and NDSU/SDSU imo. Why rush into adding an extension campus with no presence as #12 and simultaneously kill off any shot at the XDSU's?
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Re: If they want 12 but only sure on 11?

Postby tribecalledquest » April 18th, 2017, 11:08 am

MissouriValleyUnite wrote:The more I think about it, the best play is to stick at 11 with Murray/Valpo. Then wait for MSU to get that SB FBS invite and add NDSU/SDSU as 11/12.

There is just such a huge dropoff after Murray/Valpo and NDSU/SDSU imo. Why rush into adding an extension campus with no presence as #12 and simultaneously kill off any shot at the XDSU's?


I like the 11 with Valpo and Murray. That is my home run scenario.
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