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Re: Hopefully this is just phase 1 of expansion

Postby All-MVC Fan » June 7th, 2017, 2:00 pm

Having watched this conference change over the last 40+ years, this thread is hilarious. The MVC isn't headed for any 16/16 games. I would say, if history is any judge, that it is more likely that the MVC is looking at multiple invites in the future. The game has changed a lot, and mid-majors as a whole are fighting for a dwindling number of at-large bids, which makes multiple bids far less likely even with WSU in the fold. But to say that they MVC is heading for the trash heap of college basketball is just funny.

Some of you really deal better with extremes than with more realistic probabilities. Losing WSU sucks - BIG TIME - but it's not the death knell. The good Lord knows I've been really upset at the prospect of losing the Shockers, but we've been through this before...everyone just breathe...

Adding three quality programs (including Valpo in this) can, in aggregate, make up for the loss of one powerhouse. We'll get back. It'll just take a couple of years...
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Re: Hopefully this is just phase 1 of expansion

Postby Make MVC Great Again » June 7th, 2017, 4:29 pm

uniftw wrote:
Make MVC Great Again wrote:What if Elgin has to look on as his conference champion plays in the 16/16 play-in at Dayton?

That is where this league is heading.

That's not even close to true.


You never know.

Let's say an upset happens in the conference tournament and a sub .500 team makes the NCAA.
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Re: Hopefully this is just phase 1 of expansion

Postby BCPanther » June 7th, 2017, 8:40 pm

Make MVC Great Again wrote:
uniftw wrote:
Make MVC Great Again wrote:What if Elgin has to look on as his conference champion plays in the 16/16 play-in at Dayton?

That is where this league is heading.

That's not even close to true.


You never know.

Let's say an upset happens in the conference tournament and a sub .500 team makes the NCAA.


Play in teams have won one quarterfinal game ever. Stop with this nonsense
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Re: Hopefully this is just phase 1 of expansion

Postby uniguy » June 8th, 2017, 12:57 am

Make MVC Great Again wrote:
uniftw wrote:
Make MVC Great Again wrote:What if Elgin has to look on as his conference champion plays in the 16/16 play-in at Dayton?

That is where this league is heading.

That's not even close to true.


You never know.

Let's say an upset happens in the conference tournament and a sub .500 team makes the NCAA.


Also, had a sub-.500 MVC team won the tournament in previous years with Wichita and Crayton in the league, they would have been a 16-seed too. This isn't a new situation.

In fact, any sub .500 team in any mid major conference is going to be a 16 seed.



As for how the MVC is objectively better than the Summit League?

-History
-Budgets
-Recuits
-Coaches Salaries
-TV deal
-Facilities
-NCAA Tournament succes, both recent and historical (and you cant just say UNI doesn't count)
-The conference that we pick our replacement schools from gets their replacement schools from the Summit League


Half the Summit League (3 soon to be 4 Dakotas and Omaha) was D2 in the last 15 years, some sooner. WIU is closer to closing than being competitive. The Indiana schools aren't even real schools....just satilites of two other schools and they both play at least some of their home games in high school caliber gyms. Denver is a hockey and lacrosse school. Omaha is a hockey school too...and their new arena Is hemorraging cash. ORU has some history and spends a little money but they finished last last year. The Dakotas do OK but they're also pretty new to DI.
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Re: Hopefully this is just phase 1 of expansion

Postby mule » June 8th, 2017, 4:35 am

uniguy wrote: The Indiana schools aren't even real schools....just satilites of two other schools and they both play at least some of their home games in high school caliber gyms.

This has nothing to do with the discussion other than a fun fact. Indiana high school gyms are better or comparable to most college gyms on the east coast. The largest 15 high school gyms in the country from Wikipedia are:

The top fifteen in total seating capacity are as follows:
State City Venue Capacity
1 Indiana New Castle New Castle Fieldhouse 9,325[1]
2 Indiana East Chicago John A. Baratto Athletic Center 8,296[1]
3 Indiana Seymour Lloyd E. Scott Gymnasium 8,110[1]
4 Indiana Richmond Tiernan Center 8,100[3]
5 Indiana Muncie Muncie Fieldhouse 7,635 [4]
6 Indiana Marion Bill Green Athletic Arena 7,560 [5]
7 Texas Dallas Alfred J. Loos Fieldhouse 7,500[1]
8 Indiana Elkhart North Side Gymnasium 7,373[1]
9 Indiana Michigan City "The Wolves' Den" Gym 7,304[1]
10 Indiana Gary West Side High School Gym 7,217[1]
11 Indiana Lafayette Jefferson High School Gym 7,200[6]
12 Indiana Southport Southport High School Gym 7,124[6]
13 Indiana Washington "The Hatchet House" 7,090[7]
14 Indiana Columbus Memorial Gymnasium 7,071[6]
15 Arizona Chinle Wildcat Den 7,000[8]
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Re: Hopefully this is just phase 1 of expansion

Postby uniftw » June 8th, 2017, 7:39 am

Make MVC Great Again wrote:
uniftw wrote:
Make MVC Great Again wrote:What if Elgin has to look on as his conference champion plays in the 16/16 play-in at Dayton?

That is where this league is heading.

That's not even close to true.


You never know.

Let's say an upset happens in the conference tournament and a sub .500 team makes the NCAA.

So an absolute doomsday disaster that has never even come close to happening.

Wow, you really are something else.
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Re: Hopefully this is just phase 1 of expansion

Postby RacerJoeD » June 8th, 2017, 8:21 am

Forgive me if I am wrong, but could a sub .500 team get a tournament seed that would allow them to be only one upset from a tournament championship? I mean, lets look at the 15-16 bracket, ISUb was the highest seeded team ( a 6 seed). They would have needed 3 upsets, (or two if the 8 or 9 seed were to make it to the championship). After those games, ISUb would have been above .500 and would have probably been a 14/15 seed line.

Now looking at that bracket, if Drake, the 10 seed with a record of 7-23, would have won 4 games they would have been 11-23, and a probable 16 seed. They would have also had some decent wins in the tourney and may (may) have enough to stay out of the 16/16 matchup.

When you look at the 16/16 mashups, they are usually made up of conferences like the MEAC, SWAC, Northeast, etc. Not realistic to think that the MVC would be playing in the 16/16 matchup, barring a massive amount of upsets (not one) in the tournament.
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Re: Hopefully this is just phase 1 of expansion

Postby uniftw » June 8th, 2017, 8:46 am

RacerJoeD wrote:Forgive me if I am wrong, but could a sub .500 team get a tournament seed that would allow them to be only one upset from a tournament championship? I mean, lets look at the 15-16 bracket, ISUb was the highest seeded team ( a 6 seed). They would have needed 3 upsets, (or two if the 8 or 9 seed were to make it to the championship). After those games, ISUb would have been above .500 and would have probably been a 14/15 seed line.

Now looking at that bracket, if Drake, the 10 seed with a record of 7-23, would have won 4 games they would have been 11-23, and a probable 16 seed. They would have also had some decent wins in the tourney and may (may) have enough to stay out of the 16/16 matchup.

When you look at the 16/16 mashups, they are usually made up of conferences like the MEAC, SWAC, Northeast, etc. Not realistic to think that the MVC would be playing in the 16/16 matchup, barring a massive amount of upsets (not one) in the tournament.

Not really.

Arch Madness takes the bottom 4 teams and plays them Thursday night - 7/10 and 8/9. The winner of 7/10 goes to play the 1 seed and the 8/9 winner plays the 2 seed. A PIG team, as we call them (Play In Game...Thursday night) would need to win 4 games in 4 days to get the automatic bid. That would include beating AT LEAST one of the top two seeds.

Typically PIG teams haven't won much more than 4 conference games all year, let along 4 in 4 days.
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Re: Hopefully this is just phase 1 of expansion

Postby Majik45 » June 8th, 2017, 9:40 am

uniftw wrote:Not really.

Arch Madness takes the bottom 4 teams and plays them Thursday night - 7/10 and 8/9. The winner of 7/10 goes to play the 1 seed and the 8/9 winner plays the 2 seed. A PIG team, as we call them (Play In Game...Thursday night) would need to win 4 games in 4 days to get the automatic bid. That would include beating AT LEAST one of the top two seeds.

Typically PIG teams haven't won much more than 4 conference games all year, let along 4 in 4 days.


To back this up, only ONCE since the MVC tourney moved to having all 10 teams included in the tournament (starting in 1997, from what I can see) has a PIG (Play in Game) team ever beat the #1 or #2 seed in the tournament on the next day. This was the #7 seed Bradley beating #2 seed Creighton in the 1998 tourney. This means the PIG teams are 1-41 in the next game. Only 1 PIG team has ever made it to the semi-finals, and no team has ever made it to the finals.
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Re: Hopefully this is just phase 1 of expansion

Postby BirdsEyeView » June 8th, 2017, 10:47 am

CDIZZLE is under the impression that now that his beloved Shockers are gone, we are now doomed for the abyss of 20+ RPI ranking as a conference, etc.

The schools that get 16 seeds are usually coming from the 30th ranked conference RPI.

We are still MUCH better than the Summit. To argue otherwise, is a complete and utter joke.

Again, CDizzle, please go away once and for all. You have a new message board full of your "peers" to hang out with.
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