Next Mid-Major Power?

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Re: Next Mid-Major Power?

Postby Jsnhbe1Birds » June 9th, 2017, 7:45 am

Herd wrote:North and South Dakota State will be the next powers in Mid-Major basketball. They will ramp up spending to the 2.5-3.0 million range, and will be challenging the top level. These are primary State universities with major fan support, not directionals and small privates. These schools have fully funded athletic departments with FCOA, they are not one sport wonders. They can challenge P5 schools regularly, pick your sport. Yet the MVC seems more threatened by this than recognizing this as a significant opportunity.


Grand Canyon, no debate.
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Re: Next Mid-Major Power?

Postby Redhawk » June 9th, 2017, 8:19 am

Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
Herd wrote:North and South Dakota State will be the next powers in Mid-Major basketball. They will ramp up spending to the 2.5-3.0 million range, and will be challenging the top level. These are primary State universities with major fan support, not directionals and small privates. These schools have fully funded athletic departments with FCOA, they are not one sport wonders. They can challenge P5 schools regularly, pick your sport. Yet the MVC seems more threatened by this than recognizing this as a significant opportunity.


Grand Canyon, no debate.


2017 KENPOM Rankings for the 5 potential Mid Major Powers listed in the article:
St Mary's 15
Rhode Island 34
MTSU 43
ISUr 49
Vermont 63
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And:
Grand Canyon 152
NDSU 167
SDSU 185

Grand Canyon ended up 2 spots ahead of Evansville who had a losing record and behind
5 other MVC teams!

Evansville & UNI with losing overall records were also ranked higher than NDSU & SDSU respectively.
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Re: Next Mid-Major Power?

Postby ValpoTX » June 9th, 2017, 8:54 am

Just because you make the NCAA tournament every so often, doesn't mean that you are prepared to be the next Mid-Major power. Budget doesn't mean a thing, as evidenced by the fact that the University of Texas has one of the highest budgets for just about all sports, but their Basketball program only has glimpses of greatness every 5-10 years.
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Re: Next Mid-Major Power?

Postby AndShock » June 9th, 2017, 9:14 am

Redhawk wrote:
Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
Herd wrote:North and South Dakota State will be the next powers in Mid-Major basketball. They will ramp up spending to the 2.5-3.0 million range, and will be challenging the top level. These are primary State universities with major fan support, not directionals and small privates. These schools have fully funded athletic departments with FCOA, they are not one sport wonders. They can challenge P5 schools regularly, pick your sport. Yet the MVC seems more threatened by this than recognizing this as a significant opportunity.


Grand Canyon, no debate.


2017 KENPOM Rankings for the 5 potential Mid Major Powers listed in the article:
St Mary's 15
Rhode Island 34
MTSU 43
ISUr 49
Vermont 63
________________
And:
Grand Canyon 152
NDSU 167
SDSU 185

Grand Canyon ended up 2 spots ahead of Evansville who had a losing record and behind
5 other MVC teams!

Evansville & UNI with losing overall records were also ranked higher than NDSU & SDSU respectively.

Now compare their attendance and budgets.
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Re: Next Mid-Major Power?

Postby Cdizzle » June 9th, 2017, 10:58 am

ValpoTX wrote:Just because you make the NCAA tournament every so often, doesn't mean that you are prepared to be the next Mid-Major power. Budget doesn't mean a thing, as evidenced by the fact that the University of Texas has one of the highest budgets for just about all sports, but their Basketball program only has glimpses of greatness every 5-10 years.

Budget does mean things, it just doesn't mean everything.
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Re: Next Mid-Major Power?

Postby Make MVC Great Again » June 9th, 2017, 11:54 am

There is no appeal to adding the Dakotas.

No in-state talent which means you guys would have to recruit against coaches in this league for the same players.
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Re: Next Mid-Major Power?

Postby musiccitybulldog » June 9th, 2017, 12:23 pm

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Re: Next Mid-Major Power?

Postby ACECARD » June 9th, 2017, 1:14 pm

musiccitybulldog wrote:MTSU

Well, they have been pretty good lately.
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Re: Next Mid-Major Power?

Postby Jsnhbe1Birds » June 9th, 2017, 1:17 pm

ACECARD wrote:
musiccitybulldog wrote:MTSU

Well, they have been pretty good lately.


MTSU has been good. St. Mary's has been mostly good for about a decade. But, who will take that next step to be with Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier, Dayton, VCU, and Wichita State? I still say Grand Canyon.
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Re: Next Mid-Major Power?

Postby BirdsEyeView » June 9th, 2017, 1:21 pm

Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
ACECARD wrote:
musiccitybulldog wrote:MTSU

Well, they have been pretty good lately.


MTSU has been good. St. Mary's has been mostly good for about a decade. But, who will take that next step to be with Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier, Dayton, VCU, and Wichita State? I still say Grand Canyon.


Serious question, do you have a vested interest in Grand Canyon?

I think you need to change your screen name to Jsnhbe1Canyon
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