Great article

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

If any of those rules were followed very much, there wouldn't be a mvcfans.com.

As a moderator on this board, I can't remember the last time I've moderated or deleted a post. I was just pointing out to that poster why they have never seen the full article on other message boards, but only short excerpts of it.

Does make sense now. I never read the rules on any forum I'm on. I doubt most people do. We all know the basics. Don't cuss, fight, troll, spam, advertise, etc. Didn't cross my mind that this would be a problem since I didn't claim it as my own. Plus, its straight from Mark Adams Facebook post.

[Rambler63]

If any of those rules were followed very much, there wouldn't be a mvcfans.com.

As a moderator on this board, I can't remember the last time I've moderated or deleted a post. I was just pointing out to that poster why they have never seen the full article on other message boards, but only short excerpts of it.

Does make sense now. I never read the rules on any forum I'm on. I doubt most people do. We all know the basics. Don't cuss, fight, troll, spam, advertise, etc. Didn't cross my mind that this would be a problem since I didn't claim it as my own. Plus, its straight from Mark Adams Facebook post.

So if Mark Adams wanted to build his Facebook following by putting good content on his site, you just helped prevent about 40-75 mvcfans.com users from going to his Facebook page.

Here is how you link: HERE IS A LINK

Here is the link to Mark Adams' Facebook post, in case anyone wants to see the way it was initially presented, or if anyone wants to engage directly with the author or post comments: https://www.facebook.com/enthusiadams/p ... 28398001:0

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

In other news mark adams moonlights as rambler63. I'm sorry mark.

[uniftw]

Mark Adams is well intentioned, but holy s*** he is a puppy with a bone.

Means well, but will actually turn many against mid-majors with how over the top/talk downish he is to non-midmajors.

[uniguy]

My immediate takeaways from this post.

1.) More evidence that Grand Canyon is going places. A 4 million dollar budget in the WAC? If GCU and NMSU end up in the Horizon, we might be looking up at that league rather than down. That said, I would think the WCC would be GCU's ideal landing spot from their perspective (or failing that the Big West), and NMSU would be immediately gone if they found a home for their football team.

2.) Oral Roberts' budget would fit right in with our league's profile. They are a perfect fit geographically (partner with Mo State) and resources wise. It is just too bad they aren't very good. If they were good they'd be a great choice to add along with Murray. Also pleasantly surprised at how much Little Rock spends, for those that consider them a candidate.

3.) I am surprised Louisville has the 2nd biggest basketball budget in the nation.

4.) Kentucky's budget alone is more than 75% of the entire MVC combined.

5.) UNI spends exactly $32 more than Evansville. That's $32 well spent.

[uniftw]

Budgets should be looked at closer than just total number. A perfect example is UNI/Evansville.

Essentially out budgets are exactly the same. Budgets are everything involved with the program - including scholarship costs.

Take tuition out of the budget and you start to really see what the budget is.

UEs fees covered when a scholarship is offered is just shy of $50,000 per person. https://www.evansville.edu/financialaid/cost.cfm

UNI's would be just over $17,000 per person.
https://tuition.uni.edu/17-18-undergrad ... s-overview

That means $650,000 of UEs budget is tied up in scholarships compared to $221,000. That means, even though the two budgets are identical UNI is spending $449,000 more on actual basketball related items than UE.

Same situation at Bradley. They have a budget of 3.1m, but about $575,000 is tied up in tuition. It'd be real interesting to see budgets, minus tuition.

Out of those three - the three largest - the budgets go to

1. UNI 2.7m
2. BU - 2.5M
3. UE - 2.25M

This is where GCU gets interesting. Their tuition is essentially identical to UNI. Meaning they still spend about 3.7m on basketball related items. What gets interesting in programs in conferences like the WAC is travel. The travel costs added to a budget in the WAC is crazy. GCU is flying to Bakersfield, CA, Las Cruses, NM, Kansas City, MO, Seattle, WA, Chicago, IL and Edinburgh, TX for conferences games. That will inflate a budget pretty quick. Recruiting budgets shoot up pretty quick in that situation.

Budgets are interesting to actually study

[uniftw]

To further show it

Total basketball budgets
BU - 3,128,419
UNI - 2,899,699
UE - 2,899,667
LUC - 2,745,553
VALPO - 2,666,213
DU - 2,472,212
ISUR - 2,452,961
MSU - 2,279,917
SIU - 2,241,413
ISUB - 1,832,975


Tution costs per school - tuition/room/etc.. that a scholarship would cover. For state schools I did a 50/50 average in state/out of state. The second number is the number I used to get the numbers. 13 of each of the numbers
LUC - 728,000 - 56,000
VALPO - 663,000 - 51,000
UE - 650,000 - 50,000
DU - 624,000 - 48,000
BU - 559,000 - 43,000
SIU - 416,000 - 32,000
ISUB - 338,000 - 26,000
MSU - 325,000 - 25,000
UNI - 299,000 - 23,000
ISUR - 273,000 - 21,000

"True" budgets
UNI - 2,600,699
BU - 2,569,419
UE - 2,249,667
ISUR - 2,179,961
LUC - 2,017,553
VALPO - 2,003,213
MSU - 1,954,917
DU - 1,848,212
SIU - 1,825,413
ISUB - 1,494,975


The gap between the privates/public closes, and in some cases swings the other way. Basically when it comes to basketball spending it's UNI, Bradley and then everyone else.....and then Indiana State

[uniguy]

Thats a good point. Although you could make the argument that UNIs budget is artificially high due to Jakes salary since it is partially donor funded. If he left a new coach wouldn't get that much.

[UEACES80]

Also don't forget some schools pay rent for the venue they use. Lots of apples, pineapples and oranges.

[mule]

Thats a good point. Although you could make the argument that UNIs budget is artificially high due to Jakes salary since it is partially donor funded. If he left a new coach wouldn't get that much.

Wouldn't being funded by donors actually make the budget lower than if the school paid the whole amount?