If we go to 12 who do you want (choose 2) poll?

Discuss the MVC hoops season here.

Choose 2 (you may change your vote later)

Murray State
58
47%
Oral Roberts
13
10%
Northern Kentucky
22
18%
North Dakota State
7
6%
South Dakota State
2
2%
South Dakota
5
4%
Other (please comment)
17
14%
 
Total votes : 124

If we go to 12 who do you want (choose 2) poll?

Postby mvfcfan » July 28th, 2017, 4:43 pm

A poll just for fun, but I'm trying to keep this as realistic as possible. There seem to be 5 or 6 teams that have at least a realistic chance of becoming members should we expand to 12.

The 6 in the poll are Murray State, Northern Kentucky, Oral Roberts, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, and South Dakota. There is also an "other" option (please comment). I included South Dakota incase anyone wants both South Dakota teams or if someone wants Murray State and South Dakota, etc. We did target Omaha, so why not South Dakota?

I didn't include Belmont or St Louis because neither has seemed to express great interest in the past and I doubt either will. Grand Canyon and New Mexico State are just too far in my opinion and currently have nothing in common with the MVC. (I know NMSU was once in the MVC, but it's been quite a while.) Some view the Dakota schools as too far as well, but they do have football in the MVFC so they are worth looking at.

If you want to vote for SLU, Belmont, GCU, NMSU, and/or any other team feel free to by voting "other" and commenting. I'll try to tally up the votes for the "other" options.

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OTHER VOTE Tally:

IPFW (or is it PUFW?)= 1 vote
SFA= 1 vote
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Postby Jsnhbe1Birds » July 28th, 2017, 5:15 pm

Realistically, Grand Canyon won't even be considered, which is a shame. So, I didn't vote for them. I chose NKU to go along with Murray.
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Postby MissouriValleyUnite » July 28th, 2017, 5:46 pm

Murray St is a no brainer #11. Having them in the MVC is a dream of mine and would be so much fun.

I'd be thrilled with Oral Roberts or N Kentucky as #12.

Other options don't excite me.

I don't consider GCU/NMSU/NDSU/SDSU possible as MVC has made it clear expanding outside the region isn't realistic.
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Re: If we go to 12 who do you want (choose 2) poll?

Postby mvfcfan » July 29th, 2017, 5:49 am

Murray State is by far the best #11 option.

I think that Oral Roberts and Northern Kentucky are the best #12 options. South Dakota is barely in the footprint due to being located in the very southeastern corner of South Dakota. The problem is that they wouldn't have a travel partner.

Oral Roberts spends $2.74 million on basketball per year and their average attendance is 3,317.
Northern Kentucky spends $1.62 million on basketball per year and their average attendance is 2,296.

Both schools have MVC quality arenas, although it can be argued that NKU has the nicer facility. My biggest problem with NKU is the fact that they are very new to D1. Oral Roberts to me has been around longer and has more potential and they also keep the publics and privates split at 6-6.

Now let's compare ORU's and NKU's budgets and attendance to Valpo and Murray State.

ORU= $2.74 million, attendance 3,317
NKU= $1.62 million, attendance 2,296
Valpo= $2.66 million, attendance 3,572
Murray St= $2.21 million, attendance 3,266

Based on those numbers I just feel like ORU matches up better with Valpo, Murray State, and the rest of the conference. In fact ORU spends more than both Valpo and Murray State and they also average better than Murray State. Oral Roberts hasn't had as much on-court success, but they definitely have potential, which is what is important. They also give Missouri State a close opponent and a potential rival. Oral Roberts takes baseball pretty seriously and the MVC is a good conference in baseball. They would definitely compete well with Missouri State and Dallas Baptist. (I think it's important to note that ORU has made the NCAA tournament for baseball 18 times since 1998!!!)

Based on that info I voted for Murray State and Oral Roberts. Both are within the footprint and both have potential to make the conference better. I like the Dakota schools, but if we add Murray State it makes our football conference more stable if the Summit teams ever left (and I don't see that happening anytime soon). I'd be extremely happy if we can get those two schools to join our league.
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Postby Drakey » July 29th, 2017, 11:28 am

This poll sets forth the problem. Murray State is acceptable, none of the other options do anything for MVC basketball. Need to concentrate on non-football schools.
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Postby rally » July 29th, 2017, 12:02 pm

Murray State is my 11 and I would have added them this year.

I'm bullish on Northern Kentucky. Great facility and located right in a hotbed for college hoops. Just need more time at D1 to build up the fanbase. They would have been my front runner for the wait and see 12th spot.
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Re: If we go to 12 who do you want (choose 2) poll?

Postby Jsnhbe1Birds » July 29th, 2017, 2:05 pm

Drakey wrote:This poll sets forth the problem. Murray State is acceptable, none of the other options do anything for MVC basketball. Need to concentrate on non-football schools.


You have to be able to look into the future. See the potential. NKU has that and is within the footprint. Missouri State will have to travel with Southern. It's doable. It's only a 45 minutes further to Carbondale than Wichita was.
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Postby Mikovio » July 29th, 2017, 4:06 pm

No to Oral Roberts. Their institution has been in serious financial trouble the last decade and they have an admin that meddles in athletics.

No to the Dakotas. No schools who prioritize sinking money into the FCS pit.

Northern Kentucky is a project with a shoestring budget and coaches salary.

I'd go
1. SLU
2. Belmont
3. UWM
4. UIC
5. UALR
6. UTA
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Re: If we go to 12 who do you want (choose 2) poll?

Postby Jsnhbe1Birds » July 29th, 2017, 6:00 pm

Don't add just to add. If we're talking about oral Roberts and UIC we might as well just stay put at 10.
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Re: If we go to 12 who do you want (choose 2) poll?

Postby MSUDuo » July 29th, 2017, 10:28 pm

The Dakota States and it's not even close for me.
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Re: If we go to 12 who do you want (choose 2) poll?

Postby mvfcfan » July 30th, 2017, 9:58 am

MSUDuo wrote:The Dakota States and it's not even close for me.


I definitely feel you on this one. The XDSU schools have a ton of potential. They are a very very close second for me behind Murray State and Oral Roberts. I really feel that if the XDSU schools joined one of them would probably win the conference within the first couple of years of them being in the league. Both of them have very good football, basketball, and even baseball. My biggest issue with them is the travel (Particularly to NDSU). But then again Chicago State who's a mess, plays teams all over the southwest and western part of the country; and if IPFW and WIU can play the Dakota schools why can't the rest of us? I also find it funny how some people on here think that the Dakota schools are too far away, but then they entertain New Mexico State and Grand Canyon.

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BTW I started polls on the NKU and ORU forums with the question "Would you support your team moving to the MVC?" So far the results are 2-2 on the NKU board and on the ORU board it's 11-0 in favor of joining the MVC. Planning on starting similar threads on the NDSU and SDSU forums within the next day or so as soon as my accounts are approved.

On another note I've done some research on Oral Roberts financial issues. They were in trouble back in 2007 because of Richard Roberts, but he is long gone, and they have been debt free since 2009 and have been doing very well financially.
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Re: If we go to 12 who do you want (choose 2) poll?

Postby Redhawk » July 30th, 2017, 12:36 pm

MSUDuo wrote:The Dakota States and it's not even close for me.


If SLU is a non starter in the near term the Dakota States are a much better combination
for the MVC to get to 12 than Murray State plus X.
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