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Re: Dan Muller

Postby Redhawk » August 30th, 2017, 6:17 am

Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
AndShock wrote:What's owed if Muller leaves?


You're going to love this...50-effing-k.


The buyout would be $50,000 and a future home-and-home series with the Redbirds.
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Re: Dan Muller

Postby LanceShock » August 30th, 2017, 6:41 am

Redhawk wrote:
Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
AndShock wrote:What's owed if Muller leaves?


You're going to love this...50-effing-k.


The buyout would be $50,000 and a future home-and-home series with the Redbirds.

If the bolded part is really part of the contract, he has no intention of going anywhere.
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Re: Dan Muller

Postby Red » August 30th, 2017, 6:49 am

Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
MVCfans wrote:Muller just agreed to a contract extension with Illinois St through 2024.


His base pay went up by a third. 400k to 600k. The length doesn't mean anything for ISU longterm. Just for dan muller long term should he fail and et fired hell have a nice buyout. If he succeeds hell renegotiate a better contract.

If someone wants Muller, that means he did a good enough job here to move up. After all the futility and no NCAA bids I think a lot of us would make that trade.
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Re: Dan Muller

Postby uniftw » August 30th, 2017, 8:21 am

Interesting post from a poster on PantherNation comparing Muller's contract to Jakes....

Thought it worth mentioning, Muller got an extension through 2024. I just want to compare Jacobson and Muller's contracts and achievements, real quick. Because what else should I be doing at 1 AM when I've got class at 7 tomorrow? Unless stated otherwise, all the numbers will default to the upcoming year, not the full contract.

Jacobson:
Term: 10 years (2024-25, recent 2-year extension (2026-27))
Salary (without bonuses) - $850,000, increasing $25,000 annually
Salary (absolute max)* - $1,365,000
Buyout - 40% of the remaining base contract (this year, it'd be $2,260,000, and that's not including the contract extension, which would push it to $3,600,000) There is a clause where Jacobson can designate two schools at the start of the year where the buyout would only be one million.
Other tidbits - Assistants must be in the top-two for payment in the MVC, Jacobson must be in top-three for payment in the MVC (I don't think this will be an issue)
Accomplishments: 2 MVC Regular Season Champs, 4 Arch Madness Champs, 3 MVC COTY, 2 victories over the #1 ranked team in the country, 4-4 record in the NCAA Tournament, including 1 Sweet Sixteen Appearance, #11 Final Ranking in 2015, received votes in 7 years, all of which in the last 8 seasons.

Muller:
Term: 7 years (2023-24)
Salary (without bonuses): $550,000, increasing to $600,000 in 2018-19
Salary (absolute max): ??? I couldn't find any information about bonuses, but I'd guess they'd look similar to Jacobson's, but not as big. So we'll conservatively say $850,000
Buyout: $50,000, with a required home-and-home between ISUr and the team he went to.
Accomplishments: 1 MVC Regular Season Champs, 1 MVC COTY, 2-2 in the NIT, received votes last year

I love the buyout differences, I think that speaks volumes. Jacobson is gosh dang locked in, 5 million for a school to gain the ability to sign him to an (assumedly) $2,000,000 contract. Muller, on the other hand, his buyout essentially boils down to a midsize sedan. And that cute little detail about the home-and-home. It straddles the line between a deterrent and an incentive for other teams to take him, that's just one less game you need to schedule. Again, Jacobson's buyout is 20x more than Muller's on discount. It's amazing.

Personally, I think that the buyout price tells me that they don't really care about him being there long term. And since it's so easy for him to peace out, I foresee him being gone within the next four years or so.

I want a competitive MVC, but apparently there are only two or three schools that agree.

* Absolute Max for Jacobson is the base salary plus the incentives he receives for MVC COTY (10k), MVC Reg Season Champs (15k), Arch Maddness Champs (15k), NCAA Tourney Champs from play in game (25k for qualifying, 40k per win, and 100k for Final Four), and an average of 6,000 fans on the year (35k). Does not include things like free tickets, trip expenses, vehicle rental, the like. Just the straight cash homie.


I can't really disagree with his assessment, especially when it comes to the buy out and ISUr accepting that if he wins he is gone and Muller going "If I win I want an easy out". Meanwhile Jake agreed to a buy out that would require anyone trying to poach him to pony up over 5 million dollars in year one. You want to talk about a guy feeling like he doesn't want to leave a place. A guy that feels at home where he is. A guy that feels he can/will build a long term player in the NCAA world? It's not the guy whose buy out is a sneeze for even a small school. His buy out is essentially an Audi A6, and that's base model.
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Re: Dan Muller

Postby rally » August 30th, 2017, 8:34 am

LanceShock wrote:
Redhawk wrote:
The buyout would be $50,000 and a future home-and-home series with the Redbirds.

If the bolded part is really part of the contract, he has no intention of going anywhere.


I don't think it really means anything. It's either a home/home series or an additional monetary buyout. It's become pretty common in mid-major coaches contracts.
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Re: Dan Muller

Postby BradleyFan71 » August 30th, 2017, 11:29 am

Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
MVCfans wrote:Muller just agreed to a contract extension with Illinois St through 2024.


His base pay went up by a third. 400k to 600k. The length doesn't mean anything for ISU longterm. Just for dan muller long term should he fail and et fired hell have a nice buyout. If he succeeds hell renegotiate a better contract.

How exactly is that a third?
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Re: Dan Muller

Postby Mikovio » August 30th, 2017, 11:40 am

That buyout is a joke. If Muller does tank and they want to get rid of him, they have to pay him through the nose through 2024. If Muller does well and wants to leave, he or whatever school hires him pays $50k and either does a home/home or pays whatever it costs to buy that. It's hard to see how this benefits them beyond showing good faith I guess. The salary increase helps but you need a good buyout in case a P5 comes calling, and those ADs have $50k in their couch cushions.
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Re: Dan Muller

Postby mule » August 30th, 2017, 12:00 pm

BradleyFan71 wrote:
Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
MVCfans wrote:Muller just agreed to a contract extension with Illinois St through 2024.


His base pay went up by a third. 400k to 600k. The length doesn't mean anything for ISU longterm. Just for dan muller long term should he fail and et fired hell have a nice buyout. If he succeeds hell renegotiate a better contract.

How exactly is that a third?

I hope he isn't a math teacher!
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Re: Dan Muller

Postby Redhawk » August 30th, 2017, 12:23 pm

LanceShock wrote:
Redhawk wrote:The buyout would be $50,000 and a future home-and-home series with the Redbirds.

If the bolded part is really part of the contract, he has no intention of going anywhere.


I would tend to agree with you LanceShock. Muller has upped his recruiting game with Clarance this year,
dueling with Kansas for Zion Griffin next year and beat Illinois with a verbal from Chris Payton for 2019.
His future looks very bright in Normal...especially with the departure of #1 nemesis Gregg Marshall.
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Re: Dan Muller

Postby BirdsEyeView » August 30th, 2017, 3:44 pm

You guys are arguing semantics on buyouts here!!

The real talk is he can FINALLY afford to buy himself fitted dress pants and shoes that match said pants. It's a great day in Redbird Nation!
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Re: Dan Muller

Postby Redbirdgrad » August 30th, 2017, 3:45 pm

uniftw's buddy wrote:
I love the buyout differences, I think that speaks volumes. Jacobson is gosh dang locked in, 5 million for a school to gain the ability to sign him to an (assumedly) $2,000,000 contract. Muller, on the other hand, his buyout essentially boils down to a midsize sedan. And that cute little detail about the home-and-home. It straddles the line between a deterrent and an incentive for other teams to take him, that's just one less game you need to schedule. Again, Jacobson's buyout is 20x more than Muller's on discount. It's amazing.

Personally, I think that the buyout price tells me that they don't really care about him being there long term. And since it's so easy for him to peace out, I foresee him being gone within the next four years or so.

I want a competitive MVC, but apparently there are only two or three schools that agree.



What a moronic conclusion from an otherwise solid statement of facts he laid out.

Jacobson's contract was given after a 30 win season which saw the NCAA tournament. His accolades listed happened prior to his contract he received...
Muller's contract was given after a 20 win season which saw an NIT invite.

To conclude that only two or three schools want a competitive MVC based on a salary and buyout that's different as the coaches have reached different levels to this point is asinine. But, typical from this fan base.

Muller's recruiting at a different level than even HE has done in the past. He's landed a few absolute studs here, and we'll see what happens moving forward. But freaking out over a buyout and comparing coaches who have different accomplishments to this point? An exercise in stupidity.
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Re: Dan Muller

Postby AndShock » August 30th, 2017, 5:26 pm

Marshall's buyout is like 10% of his yearly salary. Good coaches hold the bargaining power. Isn't Jacobson's buyout severely discounted for 3 schools of his choosing or something? Jacobson knows what he wants and is willing to give up something (large buyout) but he still gets what he wants. Marshall and Muller are willing to listen to any suitors that come along and as far as Marshall goes, he doesn't really have a dream job he's had had his eyes set on forever.
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