MVC Games 11/13-11/16

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Re: MVC Games 11/13-11/16

Postby bleach » November 15th, 2017, 6:35 pm

Bears lead 49-26 at half. Yeah, it's Southern but at least they are making them look like Southern.
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Re: MVC Games 11/13-11/16

Postby bleach » November 15th, 2017, 7:20 pm

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Re: MVC Games 11/13-11/16

Postby E-Villan » November 15th, 2017, 10:20 pm

Nice job Bears!

Apparently we aren't pining the loss of Wichita State enough to keep the trolls out. These "trying" comments are downright moronic.

I am as critical of Marty as much as anyone, and like most of our fanbase, more than ready for a new direction with our coaching staff...but I will stop way short of saying no one is trying. Despite Marty's mediocrity, he is only 2 years away from a 2nd place finish in both the season and conference tournament. I guess I missed that with ECU and USF. If you're basing it on financials, UE has third highest basketball budget in the league, more than double the bottom teams. We can discuss the return on investment, but it's not from a lack of spending it. Marty's $300K is on the lower scale, but he simply hasn't earned anymore. SIU and BU are perfect examples of overpaying a coach and getting burned in return. I would much rather follow UNI, where they brought an unproven coach in at a lower salary, and appropriately compensated him as he succeeded. I am sure if Marty had Jacobson's results, his salary would be substantially higher. The increased ticket sales alone would compensate that.

In addition, I am not aware of any school in the conference over the last decade who has invested and enhanced all of their athletic facilities as much as UE has.

I bang my head on the wall daily that despite all of the expenditures and improvements, our administration has given Marty a longer leash than any other coach in the history of the program. It is indeed extremely frustrating for us long time fans. I have no idea the reasons, but to dismiss it as simply "not trying" is nothing but uninformed trolling. Apparently the AAC boards must have stricter moderation.
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Re: MVC Games 11/13-11/16

Postby BCPanther » November 15th, 2017, 10:48 pm

UNI was awful for 32 minutes. Okay for 8.

Beat DIII Wartburg 72-43.

No idea what to think about this team right now. Bennett Koch and Tywhon Pickford were very good. Klint Carlson was in foul trouble all night and disinterested when he was on the floor.

Next up: Chicago State as part of Battle 4 Atlantis on Saturday Morning.
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Re: MVC Games 11/13-11/16

Postby valleyclimber » November 15th, 2017, 10:53 pm

3-0 tonight for Valley teams. Congrats out to MSU (28 point smackdown win), Valpo (25 point curbstomp win on the road), and to UNI for putting up another W.

So that's 16-2 (11-2 vs. D1) out of the gates for the MVC. Smoking hot start for the conference... 8-)

Tomorrow's games will be interesting with the Redbirds tipping off the day (10:30 a.m.) against the South Carolina Gamecocks who went to the Final Four last season, and the Sycamores go against Auburn. Go get 'em ISUs.

Aces and Ramblers are also both on tap tomorrow with winnable games. Looking forward to the all the hoops across the Valley...oooo yeah.

KEEP IT ROCKIN' MVC!! :Cheers:
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Re: MVC Games 11/13-11/16

Postby AndShock » November 15th, 2017, 11:34 pm

E-Villan wrote:Nice job Bears!

Apparently we aren't pining the loss of Wichita State enough to keep the trolls out. These "trying" comments are downright moronic.

I am as critical of Marty as much as anyone, and like most of our fanbase, more than ready for a new direction with our coaching staff...but I will stop way short of saying no one is trying. Despite Marty's mediocrity, he is only 2 years away from a 2nd place finish in both the season and conference tournament. I guess I missed that with ECU and USF. If you're basing it on financials, UE has third highest basketball budget in the league, more than double the bottom teams. We can discuss the return on investment, but it's not from a lack of spending it. Marty's $300K is on the lower scale, but he simply hasn't earned anymore. SIU and BU are perfect examples of overpaying a coach and getting burned in return. I would much rather follow UNI, where they brought an unproven coach in at a lower salary, and appropriately compensated him as he succeeded. I am sure if Marty had Jacobson's results, his salary would be substantially higher. The increased ticket sales alone would compensate that.

In addition, I am not aware of any school in the conference over the last decade who has invested and enhanced all of their athletic facilities as much as UE has.

I bang my head on the wall daily that despite all of the expenditures and improvements, our administration has given Marty a longer leash than any other coach in the history of the program. It is indeed extremely frustrating for us long time fans. I have no idea the reasons, but to dismiss it as simply "not trying" is nothing but uninformed trolling. Apparently the AAC boards must have stricter moderation.


I guess we can agree to disagree because you’re not going to convince me that the UE administration believes Marty can compete for championships. Marty just isn’t 100% suck which is enough for the UE administration.

SIU is a school that you could convince me either way. SIU AD might think Barry is “good enough” or he might think Barry can compete for championships, I’d believe either one. That’s just not the case with me and Evansville.
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Re: MVC Games 11/13-11/16

Postby Jsnhbe1Birds » November 16th, 2017, 4:36 am

AndShock wrote:
E-Villan wrote:Nice job Bears!

Apparently we aren't pining the loss of Wichita State enough to keep the trolls out. These "trying" comments are downright moronic.

I am as critical of Marty as much as anyone, and like most of our fanbase, more than ready for a new direction with our coaching staff...but I will stop way short of saying no one is trying. Despite Marty's mediocrity, he is only 2 years away from a 2nd place finish in both the season and conference tournament. I guess I missed that with ECU and USF. If you're basing it on financials, UE has third highest basketball budget in the league, more than double the bottom teams. We can discuss the return on investment, but it's not from a lack of spending it. Marty's $300K is on the lower scale, but he simply hasn't earned anymore. SIU and BU are perfect examples of overpaying a coach and getting burned in return. I would much rather follow UNI, where they brought an unproven coach in at a lower salary, and appropriately compensated him as he succeeded. I am sure if Marty had Jacobson's results, his salary would be substantially higher. The increased ticket sales alone would compensate that.

In addition, I am not aware of any school in the conference over the last decade who has invested and enhanced all of their athletic facilities as much as UE has.

I bang my head on the wall daily that despite all of the expenditures and improvements, our administration has given Marty a longer leash than any other coach in the history of the program. It is indeed extremely frustrating for us long time fans. I have no idea the reasons, but to dismiss it as simply "not trying" is nothing but uninformed trolling. Apparently the AAC boards must have stricter moderation.


I guess we can agree to disagree because you’re not going to convince me that the UE administration believes Marty can compete for championships. Marty just isn’t 100% suck which is enough for the UE administration.

SIU is a school that you could convince me either way. SIU AD might think Barry is “good enough” or he might think Barry can compete for championships, I’d believe either one. That’s just not the case with me and Evansville.


If Marty applied himself he could compete for the biggest loser championship.
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Re: MVC Games 11/13-11/16

Postby Jsnhbe1Birds » November 16th, 2017, 4:41 am

In Marty's defense (I'm not saying he's the guy to lead Evansville but...) he is 56-38 overall and 27-27 in the MVC with a second place finish and a postseason championship in the past 3 years (plus two games this season).
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Re: MVC Games 11/13-11/16

Postby Rogers101 » November 16th, 2017, 7:48 am

Couple of good challenges this morning. Hoping to get 1 of the 2 games. Be nice to add some P5 wins to the column. Kenpom rankings have been improving due to the nice start for the league. Lot of depth so far. Keep the foot on the pedal!
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Re: MVC Games 11/13-11/16

Postby pafan » November 16th, 2017, 9:00 am

Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:In Marty's defense (I'm not saying he's the guy to lead Evansville but...) he is 56-38 overall and 27-27 in the MVC with a second place finish and a postseason championship in the past 3 years (plus two games this season).


When we exclude the SWAC/MEAC/D3 invitational Evansville hosts every December, Marty is 42-38 over the last 3 seasons + 2 games. Pretty unimpressive for a "postseason champion".
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Re: MVC Games 11/13-11/16

Postby BirdsEyeView » November 16th, 2017, 9:21 am

pafan wrote:
Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:In Marty's defense (I'm not saying he's the guy to lead Evansville but...) he is 56-38 overall and 27-27 in the MVC with a second place finish and a postseason championship in the past 3 years (plus two games this season).


When we exclude the SWAC/MEAC/D3 invitational Evansville hosts every December, Marty is 42-38 over the last 3 seasons + 2 games. Pretty unimpressive for a "postseason champion".



So, do Evansville fans root AGAINST their own team this season, similar to how I cheer against my Bears for a high draft pick?

In your case, to fire your coach and replace him...


For the record, I do think you try, but they need a good reason to fire him. His 2nd place finish a few years ago gave the administration a false sense of success to keep him around.
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Re: MVC Games 11/13-11/16

Postby pafan » November 16th, 2017, 9:44 am

I wouldn't go that far, yet. Aces have looked a little better than I expected in the early going. But the thought has definitely crossed my mind.
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