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ACECARD wrote:

Redbirdgrad wrote:

Aargh wrote:you said things here

No, I'll stand by what I wanted to say in the first place. The high horse Wichita fans thought the Valley would fold when they left.

You'll be replaced. You were once a cellar dwelling team. Those are very easy to find.

What the Valley needs to stay afloat is for the bottom teams to be where the average teams are. Once you have nobody weighing you down like an anchor, the "conference rpi" etc etc gets much better.

Nobody misses Wichita. Or their fans.

Especially their fans.

I miss ShockerFever's 100 different screen names after he gets banned from the site each time. He was an avid closet Illinois State fan too.

Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:I agree. Marty is doing more with a lot less.

I think you are giving Marty too much credit. That is the frustrating part for us UE fans. You are correct in one sense, early on, I think he did get more with less, but he has also gotten less with more. He had (2) conference first teamers for two consecutive years and couldn't even get on the NIT bubble with them. I don't think Lusk has had that yet. In the overall body of work, Marty has had plenty to work with.

So far this year, early on, it appears that again Marty is getting more with less. I think a lot of it is when he has his back against the wall, it forces him to make changes. During the Colt, Ballentine, Mock years, he got comfortable with his offense, and it was fairly easy for the experienced coaches in the league to prepare for it. They kept seeing it over and over. This year, the offense has been spread, and we are taking more 3's than in years past.

The way Evansville is playing its very plausible they start the season 12-0 before losing to Duke in their last non-conference game.

I know the Trolls from the AAC will dispute this saying it is all about the Ken Pom, but as of now the MVC is ranked higher than the AAC in RPI according to Warren Nolan:

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2018/conferencerpi

It is early, but hopefully we can continue to roll in OOC!!

KEEP IT UP!!!!!

It's early if the WAC is ranked in the top 5. THE WAC?!?! Chicago State, Cal State Bakersfield, Grand Canyon (highest conference RPI at 196), UMKC, NMSU, Seattle, Utah Valley State, UT Rio Grande Valley.

Redbirdgrad wrote:

Aargh wrote:you said things here

No, I'll stand by what I wanted to say in the first place. The high horse Wichita fans thought the Valley would fold when they left.

You'll be replaced. You were once a cellar dwelling team. Those are very easy to find.

What the Valley needs to stay afloat is for the bottom teams to be where the average teams are. Once you have nobody weighing you down like an anchor, the "conference rpi" etc etc gets much better.

Nobody misses Wichita. Or their fans.

Lol Delusional.

Lol Delusional.

This.... is the hard hitting, educated, quality type of post you get from Shocker Nation.

And you wonder why we are all Thankful on this wonderful day that you're gone for good.

Good riddance. Nothing but a toxic coach and fan base.

Hey guys did UNI a team from the inferior MVC beat SMU from that Conference of Gods the American Athletic Conference heck I think SMU even won that conference last year.

And wait was Wichita up 3 with 19 secs to play and lost?

I'd like to point out Wichita state isn't healthy just like isur isn't healthy. The fact that they lead the entire game and lost by 1 in November to the number 13th rated team when they aren't healthy bodes well for them. I get being salty they left but we all wish it was our school. I have no ill will towards Wichita and actually am pulling for them. I hope they win the whole damn thing. Say what you want but they're damn good and marshall has proven to be a damn good coach.

PRank InGame Conference Conf RPI OOC W-L (pctg.) OOC SOS Rk OOC SOS
1 1 Southeastern Conference 0.6020 47-9 (0.8393) 5 0.5281
2 2 Big 12 Conference 0.5962 37-4 (0.9024) 18 0.4956
3 3 Atlantic Coast Conference 0.5949 55-12 (0.8209) 8 0.5239
4 4 Big East Conference 0.5896 33-7 (0.8250) 10 0.5190
5 5 Pac 12 Conference 0.5638 40-11 (0.7843) 12 0.5119
6 6 Missouri Valley Conference 0.5517 29-12 (0.7073) 17 0.4960
7 7 Big Ten Conference 0.5466 52-14 (0.7879) 24 0.4820
8 8 Western Athletic Conference 0.5415 14-20 (0.4118) 1 0.5582
9 9 American Athletic Conference 0.5363 40-11 (0.7843) 28 0.4643

http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-conf-rpi.html

For a moment, let’s assume this trend persists and the B1G stays worse than the MVC in the OOC season. (I know that's a big assumption with only about 1/3rd of the OOC games done, but the early-season weakness of the RPI is paucity of data, which is partially made up for by looking at conference performance.) This turn of events would make some heads explode.

I'm interested in The Asian Sensation's take on things related to that.
There has been talk of P5 conferences playing less OOC games. That, I think, would decrease the magnitude of RPI variance between conferences, but would do nothing to erase this kind of RPI standing issue.

But this also illustrates the effect of P5s playing more Conf Games. If the P5s play VERY few games against OOC opponents - for instance, one game each, then the conference-average W-L would be very nearly 50% for every conference. Since each team would be playing mostly conference games that would mean SOS and Opponent SOS would be nearly identical. Then "RPI" would be almost entirely determined by each teams W/L record. And a 75% W/L in the B12 would be nearly identical RPI-wise to a 75% W/L record in the Patriot League.

What would be the effect of dropping OOC games by 10% (close to suggested B1G change) or 25%?

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If MVC has a better RPI than the B1G at the end of OOC season, then heads will explode. Ken Pom better get his arguments ready because there will be a HUGE PUSH to adopt a better metric.

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The fact that MVC is ahead of AAC is very pleasing. The turn of events I would most want is for the MVC to have an at-large and for WSU to lose a few they shouldn't and end up with an RPI of 60. Is that bad?