Updated 1/6/18: MVC Expansion Poll

Discuss the MVC hoops season here.

Choose two: Who do you think the MVC should add?

Murray State
50
49%
Northern Kentucky
19
19%
UW-Milwaukee
6
6%
Oakland
0
No votes
South Dakota State
3
3%
Southeast Missouri State
0
No votes
Belmont
12
12%
Grand Canyon
3
3%
UT-Arlington
5
5%
Denver
4
4%
 
Total votes : 102

Re: Updated 1/6/18: MVC Expansion Poll

Postby bleach » January 6th, 2018, 4:22 pm

RacerJoeD wrote:You guys are missing something. It isn’t only about bids. It’s about seeding. The swag gets a bid, but it is usually a 16. If your conference, by virtue of being perceived as a better conference and therefor the winner as a better team, gets a better seed, there is more chance of a favorable matchup in the tournament. The money in the tournament isn’t in bids, it’s in wins, because the money goes up with every round. The chances of winning go up with the better seed, and therefore the money goes up with the perception of the conference. Adding highly respected and nationally competitive teams to your conference, done correctly, makes more money per school despite the need to divide by more teams.


In a perfect world you could get more money per team. I highly doubt the committee is gonna say ISUR should have been in last year if Murray or NKU had been in the league. I highly doubt WSU would have been seeded higher. I know the shares would have been less valuable with more teams to split it between.
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Re: Updated 1/6/18: MVC Expansion Poll

Postby lime » January 6th, 2018, 5:04 pm

ptownbraves wrote:Unless we can get SLU and Murray State, I'd rather we stay at 10. NKU would be fine I guess, but they've only been a D1 school since 2013.


This, but I would accept Belmont with SLU or Murray State. I have no real interest in anyone else for 11/12.
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Re: Updated 1/6/18: MVC Expansion Poll

Postby TheAsianSensation » January 6th, 2018, 5:38 pm

I am getting irrationally mad about the concept that you can't schedule for an 11-team league.

Either way, 11 or 12 is better. Ask Wichita St how their resume is being enhanced in a 12-team league with creative scheduling to avoid having to play bad teams twice. Works, doesn't it?

Whatever add we make, we have to do it with the short-term in mind. We don't have time in the changing landscape to wait for programs to grow naturally. We need a winning program, or at least a program who can throw money at the problem.

Of course, none of the prospects are powerhouse programs. So I reluctantly vote for Northern Kentucky, who we can at least rely on to throw money and resources at the problem to keep up with the rest of the league. There's no such assurances on the others from a budget standpoint. I don't trust Milwaukee or Oakland to spend long-term, and I don't trust any Dakota school, especially NDSU, given their football.
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Re: Updated 1/6/18: MVC Expansion Poll

Postby VUGrad1314 » January 6th, 2018, 11:24 pm

I don't understand how anyone can look at this list of programs and vote for Denver or Milwaukee (especially Denver) but that's just me.
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Re: Updated 1/6/18: MVC Expansion Poll

Postby VUGrad1314 » January 6th, 2018, 11:25 pm

lime wrote:
ptownbraves wrote:Unless we can get SLU and Murray State, I'd rather we stay at 10. NKU would be fine I guess, but they've only been a D1 school since 2013.


This, but I would accept Belmont with SLU or Murray State. I have no real interest in anyone else for 11/12.

I'd take a closer look at NKU before you say that.
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Re: Updated 1/6/18: MVC Expansion Poll

Postby bufan741777 » January 6th, 2018, 11:32 pm

VUGrad1314 wrote:
lime wrote:
ptownbraves wrote:Unless we can get SLU and Murray State, I'd rather we stay at 10. NKU would be fine I guess, but they've only been a D1 school since 2013.


This, but I would accept Belmont with SLU or Murray State. I have no real interest in anyone else for 11/12.

I'd take a closer look at NKU before you say that.


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Re: Updated 1/6/18: MVC Expansion Poll

Postby BCPanther » January 8th, 2018, 8:54 am

TheAsianSensation wrote:I am getting irrationally mad about the concept that you can't schedule for an 11-team league.

Either way, 11 or 12 is better. Ask Wichita St how their resume is being enhanced in a 12-team league with creative scheduling to avoid having to play bad teams twice. Works, doesn't it?

Whatever add we make, we have to do it with the short-term in mind. We don't have time in the changing landscape to wait for programs to grow naturally. We need a winning program, or at least a program who can throw money at the problem.

Of course, none of the prospects are powerhouse programs. So I reluctantly vote for Northern Kentucky, who we can at least rely on to throw money and resources at the problem to keep up with the rest of the league. There's no such assurances on the others from a budget standpoint. I don't trust Milwaukee or Oakland to spend long-term, and I don't trust any Dakota school, especially NDSU, given their football.


I've been there for weeks. We're the only league that is making inconvenient VB and WBB scheduling a deal breaker. Oh No!! We might have to play a WBB game on a Tuesday and somebody won't have a travel partner!!!!

Do you know how much we could help the top MBB teams by only having them have to play two of the Thrusday teams once instead of twice? 8 double plays and 2 single plays is not a difficult schedule by any means.

Oh and in the poll, give me Arlington and New Mexico State..
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Re: Updated 1/6/18: MVC Expansion Poll

Postby ThisIsTheLineup » January 8th, 2018, 11:57 am

Hello - long time listener, first time caller (Redbirdfan regular)....

I would be all in on NKU - but it seems like the Valley is trying to find schools in big tv markets. While NKU IS in the Cincy market (#34) and doesn't have to compete with the NBA like others would (Denver, Milwaukee) - they DO have to compete with two bigger colleges (Cincy and Xavier). Will that be the case in a decade? Will their fanbase and program grow that big if they get picked up by a bigger conference? Who knows...would the Valley want to take that risk? Dope arena, though!

I would go with SLU first and foremost (if that is a possibility) - prestige, fan base, success, tv market, location all play a role.
Murray State would be my second option - while it isn't in a big tv market (Who covers them? Paducah?), they have the prestige and the name.
Belmont would be third. Big tv market with a struggling P5 school to compete with for tv time, prestige and success.
If you get one of the Dakotas, you'd have to get them all IMO. If that were to happen, then I think the Valley would start taking a serious look at merging with MVFC.
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Re: Updated 1/6/18: MVC Expansion Poll

Postby BirdsEyeView » January 8th, 2018, 12:56 pm

ThisIsTheLineup wrote:Hello - long time listener, first time caller (Redbirdfan regular)....

I would be all in on NKU - but it seems like the Valley is trying to find schools in big tv markets. While NKU IS in the Cincy market (#34) and doesn't have to compete with the NBA like others would (Denver, Milwaukee) - they DO have to compete with two bigger colleges (Cincy and Xavier). Will that be the case in a decade? Will their fanbase and program grow that big if they get picked up by a bigger conference? Who knows...would the Valley want to take that risk? Dope arena, though!

I would go with SLU first and foremost (if that is a possibility) - prestige, fan base, success, tv market, location all play a role.
Murray State would be my second option - while it isn't in a big tv market (Who covers them? Paducah?), they have the prestige and the name.
Belmont would be third. Big tv market with a struggling P5 school to compete with for tv time, prestige and success.
If you get one of the Dakotas, you'd have to get them all IMO. If that were to happen, then I think the Valley would start taking a serious look at merging with MVFC.


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Re: Updated 1/6/18: MVC Expansion Poll

Postby MissouriValleyUnite » January 8th, 2018, 3:56 pm

Murray State and Northern Kentucky.

Murray should’ve been added years ago. Two top 25 teams (2012, 2015) and two ncaa wins (2010, 2012) this decade. Racers also have had 2 potential long runs cut short by a possession to the national runnerup (Butler) or champion (Kansas). 29 straight winning seasons that spans several coaches (Gottfried, Cronin, Kennedy, Prohm). One of the better traveling mid major fan bases.

Northern Kentucky made the Tourney in Year 1 of eligibility and gave Kentucky all it could handle for 30 minutes. In year 2, they’re 4-0 in the Horizon with a win at league favorite Oakland. I didn’t settle on NKU until attending a Saturday home game at Milwaukee and then NKU this past month. I was utterly blown away by Northern Kentucky. If you’re on the fence, I highly suggest planning a couple roadtrips to these venues before the season ends. You can doubledip with other games in the area.
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Re: Updated 1/6/18: MVC Expansion Poll

Postby bufan741777 » January 8th, 2018, 4:02 pm

MissouriValleyUnite wrote:Murray State and Northern Kentucky.

Murray should’ve been added years ago. Two top 25 teams (2012, 2015) and two ncaa wins (2010, 2012) this decade. Racers also have had 2 potential long runs cut short by a possession to the national runnerup (Butler) or champion (Kansas). 29 straight winning seasons that spans several coaches (Gottfried, Cronin, Kennedy, Prohm). One of the better traveling mid major fan bases.

Northern Kentucky made the Tourney in Year 1 of eligibility and gave Kentucky all it could handle for 30 minutes. In year 2, they’re 4-0 in the Horizon with a win at league favorite Oakland. I didn’t settle on NKU until attending a Saturday home game at Milwaukee and then NKU this past month. I was utterly blown away by Northern Kentucky. If you’re on the fence, I highly suggest planning a couple roadtrips to these venues before the season ends. You can doubledip with other games in the area.


I completely agree with this. I think this would be the idea duo addition to the Valley. It would be good for both the league and the teams. I'm honestly unsure whether we will actually add these teams next year. I think there is a chance it could take a season longer that many people wish but I would rather the Valley get 2 teams like this in a deal that takes time rather than rushing it. If it does happen sooner than later then that would be great!
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Re: Updated 1/6/18: MVC Expansion Poll

Postby mvfcfan » January 8th, 2018, 5:19 pm

bufan741777 wrote:
mvfcfan wrote:Article: http://www.valleyhoopsinsider.com/whats ... expansion/

Note: Votes can be changed later.

My vote was Murray State (obviously) and South Dakota State. If SDSU wasn't willing to join because they didn't want to leave the other "Dakota" schools behind then Northern Kentucky would get my #12 vote.


What did NKU do to deserve your 12th vote ;)


Tbh I didn't like NKU at first. I didn't like them solely based on the fact that they were D2 just a few years ago.

However I began researching them. I saw how much success they had had at the D2 level. Then I saw the kind of investment they put into their basketball facility. I'll be honest I've watched a few of their games this year on ESPN3 and I like what I see. Another perk for me is that they are only a three hour drive from Terre Haute, so I could potentially go there for a game if ISU was involved in it.

NKU is by far and away the best non-fb #12 team we can get (even better than Belmont). They just fit in with the rest of the MVC. However if they join the MVC I would like to see them increase their basketball budget. If they were to join today with Murray State they would rank 12th in spending. However with a school that has invested the kind of money they have into their program I think they would increase their budget and I think they would jump all over an MVC offer.

Quite frankly I am all for inviting Northern Kentucky. I also changed my vote from SDSU to NKU because I have little confidence that SDSU would join. Most on their message board oppose it and I can't see them joining without another Dakota school or leaving the Summit Tournament behind (it's in Sioux Falls so they have home court advantage).

I also like the idea of keeping the MVC compact and not spreading out all over the place. It makes travel costs a lot cheaper, makes travel easier for fans, and brings in the potential to have long rivalries.
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