Page 6 of 7

Re: NET Rankings

PostPosted: December 22nd, 2023, 11:22 am
by Chuck A
IllinoisState wrote:
Chuck A wrote:The Valley finally slips below The American and into 10th place in the NET rankings.


I still see us at 9. https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/ ... conference

At the time I posted, that was the case at Warren Nolan's site. Glad it's back to "normal".

Re: NET Rankings

PostPosted: December 22nd, 2023, 12:01 pm
by MissouriValleyUnite
Chuck A wrote:
IllinoisState wrote:
Chuck A wrote:The Valley finally slips below The American and into 10th place in the NET rankings.


I still see us at 9. https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/ ... conference

At the time I posted, that was the case at Warren Nolan's site. Glad it's back to "normal".


It was 10 yesterday. Looks like the MVC/AAC are trading 9/10 day-by-day.

9 or 10, the Valley has secured itself as a top-10 conference this season.

Re: NET Rankings

PostPosted: December 24th, 2023, 9:12 am
by MissouriValleyUnite
Dec 24

1 XII
2 B1G
3 SEC
4 Big East
5 ACC
6 PAC
7 MWC
8 A-10
9 MVC
10 AAC

23 Indiana St
73 Drake
87 SIU
92 Evansville
97 Missouri St
122 UNI
129 UIC
136 Bradley
151 Belmont
190 Illinois St
270 Murray St
317 Valparaiso

Re: NET Rankings

PostPosted: December 27th, 2023, 6:31 pm
by tribecalledquest

Re: NET Rankings

PostPosted: December 28th, 2023, 10:38 am
by Drakey
tribecalledquest wrote:Interesting post here.

https://twitter.com/andreweatherman/sta ... 20025?s=20


the person that did this thinks that the variance needs to be more than 50 positions to be significant? I think there is a pretty significant difference between #6 and #55, # 49 and #97, or #23 and # 72.

Re: NET Rankings

PostPosted: December 28th, 2023, 11:42 am
by Kyle_Saluki_17
Drakey wrote:
tribecalledquest wrote:Interesting post here.

https://twitter.com/andreweatherman/sta ... 20025?s=20


the person that did this thinks that the variance needs to be more than 50 positions to be significant? I think there is a pretty significant difference between #6 and #55, # 49 and #97, or #23 and # 72.

My main takeaway from this is how much KenPom favors the big schools more than NET, which I always thought. Never was a huge fan of KenPom.

Re: NET Rankings

PostPosted: December 29th, 2023, 10:22 am
by TylerDurden
Kyle_Saluki_17 wrote:
Drakey wrote:
tribecalledquest wrote:Interesting post here.

https://twitter.com/andreweatherman/sta ... 20025?s=20


the person that did this thinks that the variance needs to be more than 50 positions to be significant? I think there is a pretty significant difference between #6 and #55, # 49 and #97, or #23 and # 72.

My main takeaway from this is how much KenPom favors the big schools more than NET, which I always thought. Never was a huge fan of KenPom.


Ken Pom doesn't favor big schools. He favors efficiency on both offense and defense.

In the nonconference, it's a much easier task to have good efficiency numbers when you play the worst teams in Division I at home and/or are a good team. Like most metrics, things tend to plateau during conference play when you should be competing against similarly talented teams.

Another reason why the nonconference season is important. Regardless of the metric, you don't generally see a ton of movement during the conference season, aside from those teams who end up going XX-1 during league play.

It's been mentioned several times by people on this board: scheduling is probably the biggest advantage the power schools have. The metrics are symptoms.

Re: NET Rankings

PostPosted: January 1st, 2024, 5:28 pm
by MissouriValleyUnite
End of Non-Con
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/ ... conference

1 XII
2 B1G
3 SEC
4 BIG EAST
5 ACC
6 PAC
7 MWC
8 A-10
9 MVC
10 AAC


32 Indiana St
73 Drake
85 Southern Illinois
97 Missouri St
98 Evansville
118 Northern Iowa
131 Bradley
135 UIC
153 Belmont
207 Illinois St
258 Murray St
307 Valparaiso

Re: NET Rankings

PostPosted: January 1st, 2024, 9:09 pm
by IllinoisState
Good to finish OOC in 9th and with a winning percentage over .600, but ISU, Valpo, and Murray State being over 200 and 300 in Valpo's case isn't good.

Re: NET Rankings

PostPosted: January 2nd, 2024, 8:46 am
by BCPanther
IllinoisState wrote:Good to finish OOC in 9th and with a winning percentage over .600, but ISU, Valpo, and Murray State being over 200 and 300 in Valpo's case isn't good.


I don't think any of us are terribly surprised that Valpo is where they are but it's Murray that's the killer. Brought enough back where you thought they'd be better and they regressed. Bad deal.