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dgreenwell3 wrote:[

So, feel free to feel disrespected ISUb fans but don’t look for sympathy because you finally won more than 1 game and now aren’t ranked like some of you feel you should be. Finish over .500 against D1 teams and then I’ll talk about maybe seeing ISUb as a top 50 team….

a who is this Indian state school? B history only matters when the past players r playing, I dont think isu will win the valley but I wouldn't be suprised to see them be a top 3 team with a steady qb and a solid defense.[/quote]
Top 3 in the conference? Based on what? NDSU and UNI both return 18-19 players off of their teams (one was the conference champ, the other was in the national quarterfinals and was a fumble on the 2 inch line in OT from knocking off the eventual national champions on their field...a week after beating the #3 seed in the playoffs). SIU had a terrible season last year, but returns pretty much everyone - and should finally be healthy...which will give them some players who have had All MVFC and All American Honors. If Illinois State can find something, anything, better than the junior high defense they had last season they have the offense to be a 9 win team. Youngstown State should be a 7 win club this year. SDSU, while the lost Minnett, should be fairly strong this year. MSU is just bad, and I don't know what to expect from WIU

However, to finish top three in the conference this year you will need at lest 8 D1 wins, and at least 6 MVFC wins. Last season was the worst MVFC/Gateway in probably a decade, and the Sycs best team in 15 years still couldn't break .500 in league play....or D1 play.

You guys were ranked 21st in one preseason publication this year...21st...I'm fairly certain they were laughed into extinction as I think they had UNI-NDSU 4-5 as well but still, that's more respect than most of the posters here combined will give you.

However, you do have a solid QB. I will concede you that. Indy St. will have my respect when they have properly earned it, and that will require consistent success

panther-state wrote:You guys were ranked 21st in one preseason publication this year...21st...I'm fairly certain they were laughed into extinction as I think they had UNI-NDSU 4-5 as well but still, that's more respect than most of the posters here combined will give you.

However, you do have a solid QB. I will concede you that. Indy St. will have my respect when they have properly earned it, and that will require consistent success

Wasn't complaining about "respect" I was merely stating past success has very little to do with this current team under it's current staff. And Ronnie Fouch is far above solid, last year he had a 4 touchdown to 1 interception ratio.
TBQH, I do believe I said 3-5 was the place I expected Indiana State to finish so don't think I said otherwise.

Phil Steele's top 40
Phil Steele's FCS Preseason Top 40
1) William & Mary Mon, Aug 15
2) Eastern Washington Sat, Aug 13
3) Georgia Southern Fri, Aug 12
4) Northern Iowa Thur, Aug 11
5) Appalachian St Wed, Aug 10
6) Delaware Tue, Aug 9
7) James Madison Mon, Aug 8
8) Montana St Sat, Aug 6
9) Wofford Fri, Aug 5
10) Sacramento St Thur, Aug 4
11) Jacksonville St Wed, Aug 3
12) Montana Tue, Aug 2
13) Central Arkansas Mon, Aug 1
14) New Hampshire Sat July 30
15) Stony Brook Fri, July 29
16) Lehigh Fri, July 29
17) Southern Illinois Fri, July 29
18) South Carolina St Thur, July 28
19) Chattanooga Thur, July 28
20) North Dakota St Thur, July 28
21) Murray St Wed, July 27
22) Sam Houston St Wed, July 27
23) Massachusetts Wed, July 27
24) Southern Utah Tue, July 26
25) Jackson St Tue, July 26
26) Albany Tue, July 26
27) Colgate Mon, July 25
28) UT Martin Mon, July 25
29) Harvard Mon, July 25
30)Indiana St Sat, July 23
31) Liberty Sat, July 23
32) Florida A&M Sat, July 23
33) Jacksonville Fri, July 22
34) Grambling Fri, July 22
35) McNeese St Fri, July 22
36) Richmond Thur, July 21
37) Youngstown St Thur, July 21
38) UC Davis Wed, July 20
39) SF Austin Wed, July 20
40) Bethune-Cookman Wed, July 20

Also he released his All MVFC preseason teams:
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/niw ... season.pdf
UNI led all teams with 12 followed closely by the Trees with 10.

dgreenwell3 wrote:Phil Steele's top 40
Phil Steele's FCS Preseason Top 40
1) William & Mary Mon, Aug 15
2) Eastern Washington Sat, Aug 13
3) Georgia Southern Fri, Aug 12
4) Northern Iowa Thur, Aug 11
5) Appalachian St Wed, Aug 10
6) Delaware Tue, Aug 9
7) James Madison Mon, Aug 8
8) Montana St Sat, Aug 6
9) Wofford Fri, Aug 5
10) Sacramento St Thur, Aug 4
11) Jacksonville St Wed, Aug 3
12) Montana Tue, Aug 2
13) Central Arkansas Mon, Aug 1
14) New Hampshire Sat July 30
15) Stony Brook Fri, July 29
16) Lehigh Fri, July 29
17) Southern Illinois Fri, July 29
18) South Carolina St Thur, July 28
19) Chattanooga Thur, July 28
20) North Dakota St Thur, July 28
21) Murray St Wed, July 27
22) Sam Houston St Wed, July 27
23) Massachusetts Wed, July 27
24) Southern Utah Tue, July 26
25) Jackson St Tue, July 26
26) Albany Tue, July 26
27) Colgate Mon, July 25
28) UT Martin Mon, July 25
29) Harvard Mon, July 25
30)Indiana St Sat, July 23
31) Liberty Sat, July 23
32) Florida A&M Sat, July 23
33) Jacksonville Fri, July 22
34) Grambling Fri, July 22
35) McNeese St Fri, July 22
36) Richmond Thur, July 21
37) Youngstown St Thur, July 21
38) UC Davis Wed, July 20
39) SF Austin Wed, July 20
40) Bethune-Cookman Wed, July 20

Youngstown State? Absurd.

And I admit to being a little sketchy following FCS, but teams like Colgate and Harvard ahead of half the conference including Missouri State? Seems extreme. I know from coworkers who are big college and KC Chiefs fans that Phil Steele is very inconsistent. Most of his magaznie consists of him patting himself in the back about picking this team 7 years ago. It is cool that he is doing a 1AA magazine, but his credibility isn't that of athlon, sporting news, Lindie's and others.

the Sports Network did reveal their pre season all american team, many from the MVFC

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnf ... 1-team.htm

isumvc1 wrote:the Sports Network did reveal their pre season all american team, many from the MVFC

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnf ... 1-team.htm

Did you mean not many? We had only 1 on first team (Boothby) and maybe 2 or 3 more on 2nd team. Kinda surprising, I thought

MVFC Preseason predicitions released. Panthers took 29 of 36 1st place votes, followed by NDSU with 6 and SIU with 1.

http://www.unipanthers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=26200&ATCLID=205216031

Note: Future C-USA powerhouse Missouri State picked to finish last (is that not okay anymore...have we jumped the shark yet with this joke? No? Okay , just checkin')