NDSU/SDSU to MVC asap.

[Lakesbison]

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Re: Wichita State Leaving MVC
I have a uni source saying the xDSU's have been contacted by the valley.

[MSUDuo]

I would take the XDSU's over Murray State and Valpo...

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[MOST]

New member to MVC Fan Forum but a reader for several years. An old MSU fan but have lived and worked in the in the Dakotas for a dozen years.

Agree that 4 Dakota schools: U ND, NDSU, SD State, U SD, should be in the MVC. Excellent D1 mid major sports. Good folks, good fans, good academics, good sports facilities.

This next comment I know will catch a lot of heat. MVC should split to two conferences: east and west.
East of the Mississippi River and N/S from Grand Forks to Little Rock. Some where on this forum is a map showing the locations of the top 15 candidate schools for the MVC. Notice how they naturally bunch into an east and west.

East can add any of several very good public or private schools: Valpo, Belmont, Murray State, Oakland Wisc Milwaukee, ILL Chicago, ??????. The West would be the 4 Dakotas, UNI, Drake (??), Neb Omaha, UMKC, MO State, and ARK Little Rock--or maybe Texas Arlington. Personnally I woul drop New Mexio State (FBS FB) and Denver (out of the footprint). Two top mid-major basketball conferences and two top FCS football conferences. The two conferences could affiliate for a big nationally competitive FCS conference. Plus, the west could have an Ice hockey conference.

The Dakotas and UNI are cold/cold/cold; but all 5 have domed football fields. U. ND basketball arena may be a little small (3500 seats)---but, can they put a wood basketball floor over the ice in their 11,000 seat hockey arena?

The current western MVC schools (UNI, MO State, Drake) will become the redheaded bastard stepchildren when the eastern MVC schools add more eastern schools (IN, Ohio, KY, Tennessee, Chicago, Wisconsin, ??).
In fact, I believe they wish the 3 western schools were somewhere else.

[uniftw]

New member to MVC Fan Forum but a reader for several years. An old MSU fan but have lived and worked in the in the Dakotas for a dozen years.

Agree that 4 Dakota schools: U ND, NDSU, SD State, U SD, should be in the MVC. Excellent D1 mid major sports. Good folks, good fans, good academics, good sports facilities.

This next comment I know will catch a lot of heat. MVC should split to two conferences: east and west.
East of the Mississippi River and N/S from Grand Forks to Little Rock. Some where on this forum is a map showing the locations of the top 15 candidate schools for the MVC. Notice how they naturally bunch into an east and west.

East can add any of several very good public or private schools: Valpo, Belmont, Murray State, Oakland Wisc Milwaukee, ILL Chicago, ??????. The West would be the 4 Dakotas, UNI, Drake (??), Neb Omaha, UMKC, MO State, and ARK Little Rock--or maybe Texas Arlington. Personnally I woul drop New Mexio State (FBS FB) and Denver (out of the footprint). Two top mid-major basketball conferences and two top FCS football conferences. The two conferences could affiliate for a big nationally competitive FCS conference. Plus, the west could have an Ice hockey conference.

The Dakotas and UNI are cold/cold/cold; but all 5 have domed football fields. U. ND basketball arena may be a little small (3500 seats)---but, can they put a wood basketball floor over the ice in their 11,000 seat hockey arena?

The current western MVC schools (UNI, MO State, Drake) will become the redheaded bastard stepchildren when the eastern MVC schools add more eastern schools (IN, Ohio, KY, Tennessee, Chicago, Wisconsin, ??).
In fact, I believe they wish the 3 western schools were somewhere else.

Hard pass.

I mean HAAAAAAAAAAARD pass

[BCPanther]

New member to MVC Fan Forum but a reader for several years. An old MSU fan but have lived and worked in the in the Dakotas for a dozen years.

Agree that 4 Dakota schools: U ND, NDSU, SD State, U SD, should be in the MVC. Excellent D1 mid major sports. Good folks, good fans, good academics, good sports facilities.

This next comment I know will catch a lot of heat. MVC should split to two conferences: east and west.
East of the Mississippi River and N/S from Grand Forks to Little Rock. Some where on this forum is a map showing the locations of the top 15 candidate schools for the MVC. Notice how they naturally bunch into an east and west.

East can add any of several very good public or private schools: Valpo, Belmont, Murray State, Oakland Wisc Milwaukee, ILL Chicago, ??????. The West would be the 4 Dakotas, UNI, Drake (??), Neb Omaha, UMKC, MO State, and ARK Little Rock--or maybe Texas Arlington. Personnally I woul drop New Mexio State (FBS FB) and Denver (out of the footprint). Two top mid-major basketball conferences and two top FCS football conferences. The two conferences could affiliate for a big nationally competitive FCS conference. Plus, the west could have an Ice hockey conference.

The Dakotas and UNI are cold/cold/cold; but all 5 have domed football fields. U. ND basketball arena may be a little small (3500 seats)---but, can they put a wood basketball floor over the ice in their 11,000 seat hockey arena?

The current western MVC schools (UNI, MO State, Drake) will become the redheaded bastard stepchildren when the eastern MVC schools add more eastern schools (IN, Ohio, KY, Tennessee, Chicago, Wisconsin, ??).
In fact, I believe they wish the 3 western schools were somewhere else.

Getting rid of UNI would a bold move considering that we have 8 of the 10 non-Wichita/Creighton NCAA units in the last 10 years. Bold, but we can see if it pays off in the later rounds...

I'm with claw. HARD. PASS.

[Lakesbison]

no way und or usd could do it. heck sdsu probably cant.

NDSU has the size the market the new arena and $5 million booster club annually

[uniftw]

no way und or usd could do it. heck sdsu probably cant.

NDSU has the size the market the new arena and $5 million booster club annually

And yet it's cutting it's athletic budget

[MOST]

no way und or usd could do it. heck sdsu probably cant.

NDSU has the size the market the new arena and $5 million booster club annually

And yet it's cutting it's athletic budget

Some hard facts support U. ND and U. SD:
U ND: 146 RPI---Grand Forks, ND----Public----Enroll: 14,906---- Endow: $230.5 million----FCS FB
S. Dakota U: 116 RPI-----Vermillion, SD-----Public----Enroll: 10,151----Endow: $182,335,563--- FCS FB

Both look like excellent candidates, as is NDSU and SDSU.

What public universities are not facing some budget cuts/crunches???

[jacksfan29]

no way und or usd could do it. heck sdsu probably cant.

NDSU has the size the market the new arena and $5 million booster club annually

And yet it's cutting it's athletic budget

Some hard facts support U. ND and U. SD:
U ND: 146 RPI---Grand Forks, ND----Public----Enroll: 14,906---- Endow: $230.5 million----FCS FB
S. Dakota U: 116 RPI-----Vermillion, SD-----Public----Enroll: 10,151----Endow: $182,335,563--- FCS FB

Both look like excellent candidates, as is NDSU and SDSU.

What public universities are not facing some budget cuts/crunches???

South Dakota State University... no budget crunch there just a growing athletic budget plus new, and upgraded facilities campus wide. Oh, and per your earlier post, SDSU does not play FB in a dome. We opened a new outdoor stadium in 2016.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_J._Dykhouse_Stadium

Now carry on, Lake's is trolling you and your taking the bait. NDSU are rolling in it yet somehow they can barely afford to pay their Men's coach $190K (no raise in 3 years), their Women's program may as well be NAIA, "fans" can attend their Women's games for free and still no one shows up. Their "new" arena is a remodel which, when inside feels like a temporary arena set up in a Vegas Casino with no leg room and terrible sight lines.

NDSU, SDSU are not going to the MVC. Neither may be in the MVFC in 5 years. As the MVC schools struggle to keep up FB funding, both schools will eventually move on.

[Fargobison]

Now carry on, Lake's is trolling you and your taking the bait. NDSU are rolling in it yet somehow they can barely afford to pay their Men's coach $190K (no raise in 3 years), their Women's program may as well be NAIA.

NDSU, SDSU are not going to the MVC. Neither may be in the MVFC in 5 years. As the MVC schools struggle to keep up FB funding, both schools will eventually move on.

NDSU is paying Richman over $200k(his contract gives him an annual raise), it is still low but he will get a raise if he earns it. The school could easily pay him what SDSU pays its coach but the athletic department doesn't just toss money around. There is reason why the athletic department operates in the black at NDSU and why the $400k cut from the state wasn't even a speed bump while the state cuts at UND created a crisis that ended with 4 sports being cut.

I do agree about one thing though, people are giving lakes the attention that he craves.