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Re: Transfer Rules within MVC

Postby BirdsEyeView » June 6th, 2017, 9:50 am

uniftw wrote:I....he is about the ulitmate proof that academics for athletics is a joke many places.

He was a non-qualifier out of high school due to grades.
He couldn't get another year at Illinois State because he was unable to graduate on time, and Illinois State was unable to keep him on track to graduate on time. 100% Academics related. It's following the APR guidelines. Basically, he wasn't a good enough student.

He will "graduate" less than a month before apparently now being a graduate level student at Boston College - where he will never finish his MA degree because chances are he won't go to a single class after December.


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Because he is the first D1 Athlete to ever be an athlete first and a student a distant second?? :roll:

His problems were more related to his legal troubles. There are countless examples of basketball players who aren't good students across D1.
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Re: Transfer Rules within MVC

Postby Play Angry » June 6th, 2017, 10:12 am

lol

Wichita State's 25th percentile range on the ACT is 21 and its 75th percentile range is 26. Its average is 23.

Illinois State's 25th percentile range on the ACT is 22 and its 75th percentile range is 26. Its average is 24.

Clearly, both are academic supernovas and broad generalizations asserting superiority (as opposed to justifiably LOLing at an isolated case of an utter imbecile receiving a degree) are valid. And yes, if you have ever spoken to Hawkins, you are aware he is an imbecile who would be lucky to count change at McDonald's competency levels. WSU had our fair share of comparable shitheads in the 90s for sake of fairness.

Academic sissy fights among MVC public schools are an embarrassment and should be avoided at all costs.
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Re: Transfer Rules within MVC

Postby BirdsEyeView » June 6th, 2017, 11:09 am

Play Angry wrote:lol

Wichita State's 25th percentile range on the ACT is 21 and its 75th percentile range is 26. Its average is 23.

Illinois State's 25th percentile range on the ACT is 22 and its 75th percentile range is 26. Its average is 24.

Clearly, both are academic supernovas and broad generalizations asserting superiority (as opposed to justifiably LOLing at an isolated case of an utter imbecile receiving a degree) are valid. And yes, if you have ever spoken to Hawkins, you are aware he is an imbecile who would be lucky to count change at McDonald's competency levels. WSU had our fair share of comparable shitheads in the 90s for sake of fairness.

Academic sissy fights among MVC public schools are an embarrassment and should be avoided at all costs.


Not arguing a comparison of our schools.
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Re: Transfer Rules within MVC

Postby BradleyFan71 » June 6th, 2017, 11:21 am

Stickboy46 wrote:
BirdsEyeView wrote:
Cdizzle wrote:Deontae Hawkins: Proof that Illinois State will give a degree to literally anyone.


Wichita State: Proof they will accept LITERALLY anyone into their college
https://www.google.com/search?q=wichita ... e&ie=UTF-8


95% .. not 100% which is what your statement is implying. It's also pretty much equal to the other 2 state colleges in Kansas.

I LITERALLY thought the same thing when I read that!
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Re: Transfer Rules within MVC

Postby uniftw » June 6th, 2017, 12:24 pm

BirdsEyeView wrote:
Because he is the first D1 Athlete to ever be an athlete first and a student a distant second?? :roll:

His problems were more related to his legal troubles. There are countless examples of basketball players who aren't good students across D1.

Yes, he had a number of arrestes and "suspensions".

However, him not getting a 4th year to play at Illinois State is 10000000000000% related to academics. Part of the stipulation for him to get a 4th year to play was to be on track to graduate (with a certain GPA, don't remember what it was) on time. Turns out he wasn't able to graduate on time - and I'm not sure he met the GPA requirment.
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Re: Transfer Rules within MVC

Postby Redhawk » June 6th, 2017, 12:32 pm

uniftw wrote:However, him not getting a 4th year to play at Illinois State is 10000000000000% related to academics. Part of the stipulation for him to get a 4th year to play was to be on track to graduate (with a certain GPA, don't remember what it was) on time. Turns out he wasn't able to graduate on time - and I'm not sure he met the GPA requirment.


Hawkins is on track to graduate after this summer session. The reason he isn't getting another year
at ISUr is the same as DJ Clayton's.
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Re: Transfer Rules within MVC

Postby uniftw » June 6th, 2017, 12:38 pm

Redhawk wrote:
uniftw wrote:However, him not getting a 4th year to play at Illinois State is 10000000000000% related to academics. Part of the stipulation for him to get a 4th year to play was to be on track to graduate (with a certain GPA, don't remember what it was) on time. Turns out he wasn't able to graduate on time - and I'm not sure he met the GPA requirment.


Hawkins is on track to graduate after this summer session. The reason he isn't getting another year
at ISUr is the same as DJ Clayton's.

The stipulation is he had to be on pace to graduate in 4 years, spring semester. He wasn't going to get any extra time from the NCAA. That's how it is will all non-qualifiers.
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Re: Transfer Rules within MVC

Postby Redhawk » June 6th, 2017, 12:49 pm

uniftw wrote:
Redhawk wrote:
uniftw wrote:However, him not getting a 4th year to play at Illinois State is 10000000000000% related to academics. Part of the stipulation for him to get a 4th year to play was to be on track to graduate (with a certain GPA, don't remember what it was) on time. Turns out he wasn't able to graduate on time - and I'm not sure he met the GPA requirment.


Hawkins is on track to graduate after this summer session. The reason he isn't getting another year
at ISUr is the same as DJ Clayton's.

The stipulation is he had to be on pace to graduate in 4 years, spring semester. He wasn't going to get any extra time from the NCAA. That's how it is will all non-qualifiers.


UNIFTW...I trust your knowledge of NCAA rules but Boston College seems to think he can play another year:

From the Boston Herald:

Illinois State grad transfer Deontae Hawkins committed to Boston College on Monday, according to multiple reports. The 6-foot-8, 220-pound stretch forward will be immediately eligible for the Eagles, and has one season of eligibility remaining.
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Re: Transfer Rules within MVC

Postby uniftw » June 6th, 2017, 2:54 pm

Redhawk wrote:
UNIFTW...I trust your knowledge of NCAA rules but Boston College seems to think he can play another year:

From the Boston Herald:

Illinois State grad transfer Deontae Hawkins committed to Boston College on Monday, according to multiple reports. The 6-foot-8, 220-pound stretch forward will be immediately eligible for the Eagles, and has one season of eligibility remaining.

Sweet jesus, this isn't hard to understand.

He can't play another year at Illinois State. He was a non-qualifier out of prep school (which is unbelievable to be honest). Because of that he had to sit out a year. That doesn't get to count as a redshirt year, so to speak. It's a dead year but he can't redshirt and get an extra year on top of that dead year. It can become a "redshirt" if certain criteria are met - GPA and graduation date

Due to the dead year he could still play 4 years at Illinois State IF...and only if...he kept his GPA at a certain level and graduated within 8 semesters, including his dead year (summer not included...call it 11 semesters if you want to include summers).

His GPA was not kept to the standard required by the NCAA. They may have granted a special waiver to get a 4th playing year at Illinois State if he was going to graduate in 8 semesters. He very clearly did not graduate in 8 semesters

That means his time at Illinois State is done. He got 4 seasons and that's it.

HOWEVER, that isn't to say he couldn't gradate in 9 (12) and then enroll elsewhere using the graduate waiver - like he is apparently doing.

He spent 4 years at Illinois State, played 3. He gets 5 years to play 4, thus he can play under the graduate student rule. It essentially turns into the dead year being a redshirt year, even though it technically wasn't a redshirt year.

That isn't to say he is actually qualified as a grad student. That isn't to say Boston College isn't completely stretching their entrance requirements to get him in - not that they are alone in that redard by any means. I would guess he wouldn't get into any reputable grad program if he was applying as a general student, given his criminal and academic history the last 4-5 years, regardless of field of study.


So not only did he squirm around the conference transfer rules that should have cost him his first year playing at ISUr on top of the year he had to sit out (because he created a murky grey area that no one quite agreed fully on, which is what created this whole can be play/can he not/he can but only not against WSU/he can against everyone because that was a strange ruling). He gets around the being a non-qualifier and gets the year he shouldn't on the back end of his career due to another school giving their academia the middle finger for someone who wouldn't be accepted without athletics pushing it through and won't graduate and won't go to classes.

Good to see he's learning his lesson for being a crap student who can't stay out of legal trouble and turning into an upstanding young man. :roll:
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Re: Transfer Rules within MVC

Postby Cdizzle » June 6th, 2017, 3:08 pm

uniftw wrote:
Redhawk wrote:
UNIFTW...I trust your knowledge of NCAA rules but Boston College seems to think he can play another year:

From the Boston Herald:

Illinois State grad transfer Deontae Hawkins committed to Boston College on Monday, according to multiple reports. The 6-foot-8, 220-pound stretch forward will be immediately eligible for the Eagles, and has one season of eligibility remaining.

Sweet jesus, this isn't hard to understand.

He can't play another year at Illinois State. He was a non-qualifier out of prep school (which is unbelievable to be honest). Because of that he had to sit out a year. That doesn't get to count as a redshirt year, so to speak. It's a dead year but he can't redshirt and get an extra year on top of that dead year.

Due to the dead year he could still play 4 years at Illinois State IF...and only if...he kept his GPA at a certain level and graduated within 8 semesters, including his dead year (summer not included...call it 11 semesters if you want to include summers).

His GPA was not kept to the standard required by the NCAA. They may have granted a special waiver to get a 4th playing year at Illinois State if he was going to graduate in 8 semesters. He very clearly did not graduate in 8 semesters

That means his time at Illinois State is done. He got 4 seasons and that's it.

HOWEVER, that isn't to say he couldn't gradate in 9 (12) and then enroll elsewhere using the graduate waiver - like he is apparently doing.

He spent 4 years at Illinois State, played 3. He gets 5 years to play 4, thus he can play under the graduate student rule.

That isn't to say he is actually qualified as a grad student. That isn't to say Boston College isn't completely stretching their entrance requirements to get him in - not that they are alone in that. I would guess he wouldn't get into any reputable grad program if he was applying as a general student. Given his criminal and academic history the last 4-5 years


So not only did he squirm around the conference transfer rules that should have cost him his first year playing at ISUr on top of the year he had to sit out, he gets around the being a non-qualifier and gets the year he shouldn't on the back end of his career.

Good to see he's learning his lesson for being a crap student who can't stay out of legal trouble and turning into an upstanding young man. :roll:

It actually was a little difficult to understand, as the non-qualifier thing created an interesting wrinkle with regard to him being potentially eligible at any school except ISUr. I don't remember seeing that before (perhaps because I've never seen such a case lead to someone actually gaining admittance to graduate school). But you did an excellent job of summarizing it in this post.
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