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Postby MoValley John » December 30th, 2016, 12:48 am

TheAsianSensation wrote:
Aargh wrote:
specialsauce wrote:With the win, Drake improves their RPI to 345.

With the loss, Loyola's RPI drops 50 spots to 155.

The effect on the league's rpi was disastrous. Used to be almost a dead heat from 9-12. Tonight's results dropped the Valley out of that logjam by a goodly distance. Now #12.

I'll be a bit surprised if we don't get back ahead of the Colonial, but we've certainly lost the battle to finish in the top 10. Look at the overall records those conferences will cross-pollinate with, and our collective records. We're behind and don't have the SoS numbers to catch up.

To put it in NASCAR terms, as a conference, we've lost the draft. The MWC, WCC, A-10, AAC. They left us behind this year.


I don't follow NASCAR, but I think by late season the Valley could get a lucky dog.
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Postby BirdsEyeView » December 30th, 2016, 7:59 am

Bmarq04 wrote:Just cuz some like to post random stats for a random time frame that don't paint any kind of picture at all, I figured I'd just join in...

The last 80 minutes of game action
Drake - 203 points
Evansville - 118


:dance: :+1:

I would say that tells the story right there
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Re: ok, let's get it going! Dec. 28th - January 1 MVC games

Postby ACECARD » December 31st, 2016, 11:44 am

BirdsEyeView wrote:
Bmarq04 wrote:Just cuz some like to post random stats for a random time frame that don't paint any kind of picture at all, I figured I'd just join in...

The last 80 minutes of game action
Drake - 203 points
Evansville - 118


:dance: :+1:

I would say that tells the story right there

Let's see, that would make Drake 59 points better than the Aces for 40 a minute game, and odds on to win the Valley. This is going to be a worse season than I thought for the Aces. :Bam:
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Postby DUBulldog » December 31st, 2016, 11:57 am

Blers wrote:No words for LU's performance. Embarrassing. For what it's worth Drake is hitting insane shots.


Drake made a helluva lot of shots in the game, but I don't remember a single one that I wouldn't consider a good shot. Certainly none that were "insane"....the kind where you turn to the guy next to you and say "how the hell did that go in?" Seriously, I don't remember a single bucket that was outside of a player's normal game.

I think Drake's just a better shooting team then the record would indicate.
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Postby Blers » December 31st, 2016, 1:07 pm

DUBulldog wrote:
Blers wrote:No words for LU's performance. Embarrassing. For what it's worth Drake is hitting insane shots.


Drake made a helluva lot of shots in the game, but I don't remember a single one that I wouldn't consider a good shot. Certainly none that were "insane"....the kind where you turn to the guy next to you and say "how the hell did that go in?" Seriously, I don't remember a single bucket that was outside of a player's normal game.

I think Drake's just a better shooting team then the record would indicate.


A bit of hyperbole from frustration on my part. But the back to back step back 3's, one of which banked in from McMurray will cause that. 3 of drakes guards hit career highs including McMurray (24 pts prev high of 10 I believe...?).

So I suppose the shots weren't insane, just based on what I knew about drake the efficiency was pretty shocking from what I previously had heard from them. They outplayed Loyola for 35 minutes; hopefully they can build on this and Loyola can learn. Super discouraging performance by the Ramblers tho.
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Postby Snaggletooth » December 31st, 2016, 1:32 pm

DUBulldog wrote:
I think Drake's just a better shooting team then the record would indicate.


Or LUC is a worse defending team than their record would indicate.
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Re: ok, let's get it going! Dec. 28th - January 1 MVC games

Postby bleach » December 31st, 2016, 1:45 pm

Bears over the Trees in OT. Fun Game throughout. Bears talent was evident as scoring came from seemingly everywhere but especially Alize. ISU always battled back to take the lead then the Bears would just grab it back.
Redbirds and Bears should be fun Wed. @ talented teams with weak coaching. Birds should win at home but should be entertaining.
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Re: ok, let's get it going! Dec. 28th - January 1 MVC games

Postby DUBulldog » December 31st, 2016, 1:51 pm

Blers wrote:
DUBulldog wrote:
Blers wrote:No words for LU's performance. Embarrassing. For what it's worth Drake is hitting insane shots.


Drake made a helluva lot of shots in the game, but I don't remember a single one that I wouldn't consider a good shot. Certainly none that were "insane"....the kind where you turn to the guy next to you and say "how the hell did that go in?" Seriously, I don't remember a single bucket that was outside of a player's normal game.

I think Drake's just a better shooting team then the record would indicate.


A bit of hyperbole from frustration on my part. But the back to back step back 3's, one of which banked in from McMurray will cause that. 3 of drakes guards hit career highs including McMurray (24 pts prev high of 10 I believe...?).

So I suppose the shots weren't insane, just based on what I knew about drake the efficiency was pretty shocking from what I previously had heard from them. They outplayed Loyola for 35 minutes; hopefully they can build on this and Loyola can learn. Super discouraging performance by the Ramblers tho.


I see where you're coming from. I've been watching McMurray hit step back jumpers all year, so I know it's part of his game. For someone who hasn't seen him before and sees the modest scoring stats, I can see how it would be a surprise. He's a guy who only averaged 11 a game in juco, but had a 44 point game. He's a pass first guy who can score when he needs to. Loyola focused so much on stopping Wampler in the second half that it allowed other guys a lot of open looks.

I know it's frustrating to lose to a team like Drake, but The Drake team right now is not the same Drake team of 3 weeks ago. Rutter has them playing much, much more uptempo, and they're playing free and easy. Lots of guys (Wampler, Arogundade, McGlynn, Rivers, etc) playing the best ball of their college careers. And, they're probably going to keep getting better....they've only been playing this system for a few weeks. It's night and day different from what Giacoletti was preaching. On the other side, other teams will get better at figuring out what Drake is doing and will adjust their defenses accordingly.

Going from Giacoletti to Rutter was like a football team going from "3 yards and a cloud of dust" to the West Coast offense. 68 possessions per game under Giacoletti, 76 possessions per game under Rutter. That might not seem like a huge difference, but the pace under Giacoletti would rank about 275th in the country, the pace under Rutter 18th.
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Postby Stickboy46 » December 31st, 2016, 2:50 pm

bleach wrote:Bears over the Trees in OT. Fun Game throughout. Bears talent was evident as scoring came from seemingly everywhere but especially Alize. ISU always battled back to take the lead then the Bears would just grab it back.
Redbirds and Bears should be fun Wed. @ talented teams with weak coaching. Birds should win at home but should be entertaining.

I feel like ISUb is one person short of being a very good team. So many close losses for them this year
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Re: ok, let's get it going! Dec. 28th - January 1 MVC games

Postby ACECARD » December 31st, 2016, 2:54 pm

Stickboy46 wrote:
bleach wrote:Bears over the Trees in OT. Fun Game throughout. Bears talent was evident as scoring came from seemingly everywhere but especially Alize. ISU always battled back to take the lead then the Bears would just grab it back.
Redbirds and Bears should be fun Wed. @ talented teams with weak coaching. Birds should win at home but should be entertaining.

I feel like ISUb is one person short of being a very good team. So many close losses for them this year

Yes, I think they are better than most people gave them credit for. They are going to be a tough out.
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